Well, I'll leave it up to you-all (there's that phrase again, heheheehe) whenever Gwentyboy would taunt me via PM, the subject line would mostly be "Hi, PAL!" or "Hi, BUDDY", and similar situations like that. So, when SCOREBUFF sends me his first PM, the subject line says (exactly) "Hi, PAL" like we are old pals that have known each other for years, and the body of the PM message is how he KNOWS me, and I don't have the recording sessions of Titanic, etc., just like GWENT used to do, almost word for word! What do these creeps think that I'm going to do, post the sessions up here to prove that I do have them, so GWENT can turn around, and report me to Jim Cameron, who will contact Horner, and get me in dutch?!?!?!?! Do they really think that I'm THAT stupid? I don't recall EVER replying to any post of Scorebuff (NOT Scoregeek! DUDE you have got to change your username, it's too close to scorebuff!) and saying that he was actually someone else! I DID say that to GWENT, but not SCOREBUFF (Oops, did he just reveal himself? :)

Anyway, folks, there you go, just my impressions, but I'm not a fool, I can see this guy coming a mile away, and I'm 99% sure this is him again.

William

You want us to put the bag on him, and put him on ice? Just lend me your heater.

Well, I'll leave it up to you-all (there's that phrase again, heheheehe) whenever Gwentyboy would taunt me via PM, the subject line would mostly be "Hi, PAL!" or "Hi, BUDDY", and similar situations like that. So, when SCOREBUFF sends me his first PM, the subject line says (exactly) "Hi, PAL" like we are old pals that have known each other for years, and the body of the PM message is how he KNOWS me, and I don't have the recording sessions of Titanic, etc., just like GWENT used to do, almost word for word! What do these creeps think that I'm going to do, post the sessions up here to prove that I do have them, so GWENT can turn around, and report me to Jim Cameron, who will contact Horner, and get me in dutch?!?!?!?! Do they really think that I'm THAT stupid? I don't recall EVER replying to any post of Scorebuff (NOT Scoregeek! DUDE you have got to change your username, it's too close to scorebuff!) and saying that he was actually someone else! I DID say that to GWENT, but not SCOREBUFF (Oops, did he just reveal himself? :)

Anyway, folks, there you go, just my impressions, but I'm not a fool, I can see this guy coming a mile away, and I'm 99% sure this is him again.

William

I'll throw my two cents in...I have known William for the last 2 years and not once has this man done anything wrong, said anything wrong or just been a jerk! He is a stand up guy! a Gentleman at all times and has done more for a lot of us then I can count. This is just plan Bullshit!!! In real life I am a retired (old fashion) Law Enforcement Officer (almost 20 years-medical retirement) (SheriffJoe, if you are indeed pc 832, then you would not have made a asinine statement like that about the Sheriff (aka the Boss)) I have dealt with the scum of humanity for years, seen enough to make a grown man puke and totally turn your back, walk away from all human contact. William (and I do know his real name and more...and NO!! you do not deserve to know squat!!) has been the most understanding, Generous Man I have known in a long time and none of you nay sayers are worthy enough to kiss his feet!! Personally if I had my way I'd give you old fashion butt kicking down the street...Go get a life and leave the rest of us alone.

Scott

Well, I'll leave it up to you-all (there's that phrase again, heheheehe) whenever Gwentyboy would taunt me via PM, the subject line would mostly be "Hi, PAL!" or "Hi, BUDDY", and similar situations like that. So, when SCOREBUFF sends me his first PM, the subject line says (exactly) "Hi, PAL" like we are old pals that have known each other for years, and the body of the PM message is how he KNOWS me, and I don't have the recording sessions of Titanic, etc., just like GWENT used to do, almost word for word! What do these creeps think that I'm going to do, post the sessions up here to prove that I do have them, so GWENT can turn around, and report me to Jim Cameron, who will contact Horner, and get me in dutch?!?!?!?! Do they really think that I'm THAT stupid? I don't recall EVER replying to any post of Scorebuff (NOT Scoregeek! DUDE you have got to change your username, it's too close to scorebuff!) and saying that he was actually someone else! I DID say that to GWENT, but not SCOREBUFF (Oops, did he just reveal himself? :)

Anyway, folks, there you go, just my impressions, but I'm not a fool, I can see this guy coming a mile away, and I'm 99% sure this is him again.

William

I agree with Scotty on this one. I may not have been here as long as scotty, but for what my opinion is worth, WilliamTaylor has been kind and generous to me. So why don't "who ever you are" just lay off and vent your resentment elsewhere. This is a friendly thread where we enjoy a chat. That's my two penneth.

Can this thread be for talking about Star Trek the original series, its music, its composers, its stories and curiosities, and let this gwent thing end once and for all?

gwent was banned from the forum a long time ago, and that's the end of the story. Continue to talk over the same thing again is like beating the same dead horse.
If something is already done and over with it there is no point to still talking about it, unless of course you want to make company to this gwent person in the bansville area and see the whole thread closed.

I've done it before and will have no problem in doing it again.

If there is a member or more blackmailing you, then deal with it in private. Put it on ignore or whatever, but don't attempt to stir up the pot in a thread that is not meant for that.

Sorry, didn't want to stir anything up, but I find when I am confronted, either in person or online, the best way to handle it, is to drag it out in the open, and give it some light, GWENT is not gone, he's just using one of many IDs that he has, with alternate IP addresses and such, so when he rears his ugly little head up again, I want everyone to see him for what he is!

William

Sorry, didn't want to stir anything up, but I find when I am confronted, either in person or online, the best way to handle it, is to drag it out in the open, and give it some light, GWENT is not gone, he's just using one of many IDs that he has, with alternate IP addresses and such, so when he rears his ugly little head up again, I want everyone to see him for what he is!

William

William their is no reason for you to apologizes! this guy (Gwent) is a putz!! Your Word is GOLD around here and if you say he is not gone...then he is not gone period. Do Not worry my Friend you have more people in your corner then you think. If you need anything...and I mean anything! then you give the word and we will man Battle Stations!! Most of us that have been here awhile know GWENT all to well! He just needs to go away and leave us the hell alone!

I heard someone say this a few times "You Have Been, And Always Shell Be My Friend" :)

"Warp Speed At Your Command Sir"

Scott

p.s. This is the most important thing about William....he is "Loyal" to his friends!! Wildwood, Soundtrakker, Pearlcorderman are all in the same league as William! I know these guys have my back and I have there's.

I don't know G...G....http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/throwup.gif...I just can't say his name, but, I have known the type. William, will will be like http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/redshirt.gif for you!http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/spocksmiley.gif

I don't know G...G....http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/throwup.gif...I just can't say his name, but, I have known the type. William, will will be like http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/redshirt.gif for you!http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/spocksmiley.gif

I Love your GIF's!!!! right to the point. Misteretc...Love your Pics they make my day a little brighter!! Thank You Both.

Scott

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William and I sometimes disagree...well crap...friends do that, not everyone is going to have the same likes all the time! it does not mean a thing, other then we respect each other enough to respect the other's opinion on different things.

Scott

Thanks! I just love to us them, it helps to really make my point.

Friends are there through the good,the bad and as we gethttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/old.gif-er or they are not friends.

Sorry, didn't want to stir anything up, but I find when I am confronted, either in person or online, the best way to handle it, is to drag it out in the open, and give it some light, GWENT is not gone, he's just using one of many IDs that he has, with alternate IP addresses and such, so when he rears his ugly little head up again, I want everyone to see him for what he is!

William

But William have you questioned yourself why is he doing this to you? Didn't you realise yet that you are giving importance to a trifle, or in other words, that as long as you are giving food to a troll, he will never give up and go away? At this point it is you, in an inadvertently way, who are encouraging him to continue to do this, and not the other way around.

Look this is a thread to discuss the Original series, and not a place to reveal things that are sent in private messages between members. If someone is taunting you in private then you should resolve it with him in private, or put it on ignore, it's simple.
In the place of you repeat yourself to the umpteenth time saying the same old things that everyone is tired to know about gwent or whatever you think it may be him, you could always send a message to the moderation staff instead. There are the forum admins and mods here to deal with these situations.

I got a TOS music question. On THE set, are their bumper music? I know that Jeff Bond said all music was included, except promos, as they were provided by others.
So since I don't have the set, yet, I was wondering.

I got a TOS music question. On THE set, are their bumper music? I know that Jeff Bond said all music was included, except promos, as they were provided by others.
So since I don't have the set, yet, I was wondering.

Here's the link for the box itself together with a tracklisting:

LA LA LAND RECORDS, Star Trek: The Original Series (http://www.lalalandrecords.com/STTOS.html)

I do not think there are any bumpers, no. There are one or two trailers though.

I am nearly through this batch of requests. I am going in the order received. If I have missed any art requests so far, please let me know. Thank you for all the kind words. I did not respond to many. I have not been feeling...chatty, sorry.

Why do people get so wound up by others, use the ignore system it helps your health and doesnt cost anything to save you from a heart attack. Stop bringing sillies out into the open they enjoy the pathetic attention just use ignore, THANKS!

Yes what Bladeforce said works great, hell I have been ignoring Bladeforce for almost 18 months now and it's worked great!

I had to un-ignore his post just to see what he had to say this damn time.

Just kidding Bladeforce... I actually have never heard of you before.

Thanks! I just love to us them, it helps to really make my point.

Friends are there through the good,the bad and as we gethttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/old.gif-er or they are not friends.

Well said my Friend!!

Scott

Has anyone listened to the set all the way through yet?

I do not think there are any bumpers, no. There are one or two trailers though.

I am nearly through this batch of requests. I am going in the order received. If I have missed any art requests so far, please let me know. Thank you for all the kind words. I did not respond to many. I have not been feeling...chatty, sorry.

It is quite alright Amanda! life has a way of getting to all of us...sooner rather then later.

Scott

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Has anyone listened to the set all the way through yet?

Not yet!! just getting into season 3

Scott

Has anyone listened to the set all the way through yet?

Not yet... I have it, with the rest of my music, set to shuffle on my iTunes/iPod. What I have heard sounds really good, though.

Has anyone listened to the set all the way through yet?

on 2nd disc of season 3, and have enjoyed them all so far

on 2nd disc of season 3, and have enjoyed them all so far

Thanks Peralcorderman...I'm looking forward to season 3 even more now :)

Scott

Youve gotta be pulling my leg, Amanda, I was thru the whole set the first night that I dl'd it from the net, about a week before xmas :)

Ive gone thru it 5 times all the way thru, and it just gets better every time. one thing thou, I wish that they had put all the extra stuff with the episode that its from, like the extra stuff from the cage is like on disc 5 of the first season. I gotta redo the mp3s and put all the stuff together, and just make each episode music one long suite. Then do like Vermasitude did, and make a new folder for each episode. I think that will be good.

I totally agree with william and scotty and some of the rest. if someone comes at you, you gotta fight him, out in the open or whatever. it's like that game "Whack a mole", every time he sticks his ugly little head up, whack em, LOL.

and sorry to ask this, but I dont know, whats a bumper?

thanx

Bumpers are the music in between the commercials on older shows, back in the day.Like act in, and act out ...act out, go to a commercial or two, have a "reminder" of the show you are watching -like Star Trek will be back in a minute - and then commercial. Those reminders are called bumpers...

Thanks,Amanda!

Bumpers are also call Eye Catch in Anime, same thing without the talking.

Yup. The Gatchaman cd's have a crap load of them, all maybe 10 seconds each. Maybe.

Bumpers are the music in between the commercials on older shows, back in the day.Like act in, and act out ...act out, go to a commercial or two, have a "reminder" of the show you are watching -like Star Trek will be back in a minute - and then commercial. Those reminders are called bumpers...

Yes, there are BUMPERS!! Hehehehehe

William

William, I do not see bumpers. We are hearing the bumpers were composed by someone else. There ARE act outs and stingers, and a couple of "next week" trailers, but the bumpers I don't see. I refer you to the recent Galactica albums, which do have the bumpers ( the Intrada? albums).

William is this what you mean.

Conducted by George Duning (With "Is There in Truth No Beauty?")

Act Out LM131 tk 1 0:14
Act Out LM131 tk 2 0:13
Total Time: 0:30

Amanda, where are the ones you refer to on the LLL list of tracks?

Act in is where you come back from commercial break, and likely are Captain's logs. Act out is the cliffhanger before the commercial break and can also be called stingers. Those are different than bumpers.

I'm confused...and you can http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/46.gif all you want. I don't see any clues in the list, and if there, why not list as such. We ARE http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/old.gif enough to know about bumpers, so it should be listed as such. Do the booklets give more info on the tracks to identify as such, stingers, bumpers and such?

Track 42 of Intrada's Battlestar Galactica vol. 1, for instance, is the bumper used. I think they always used the same one. Track 15 on disc 2 of season 1 is the trailer for the Man trap which is a different beast altogether.

After you mentioned about Man Trap track, I went back and looked at the LLL list, and I noticed what you are talking about. I did not notice at first, as I expected them to be on the discs that had extra themes and others. I guess I need to look closer.

I wonder why they didn't include the fascinating alternate takes of Shatman's iconic prologue "Space, The Final Frontier..." (including one with echo, different voice inflections, etc) that were included in the fantastic special fx bootleg series? Did they not have permission to use Billiam's voice?

No, they have a track on there (I heard it, I KNOW I did, hehehe) where Shatner says "This is William Shatner, Star Trek will return after these messages" or something like that! :)

We were talking, a couple of pages ago, about the TOS TREK, and I wanted to add the fact that
as far as reality is concerned, with TREK, as with Star Wars, you have to suspend disbelief. Now, starting with the Enterprise herself, anyone with a basic knowledge of physics knows that the design would not stand up in space. Having the nacelles separated from the main hull with pylons like that would be ripped from the ship the instant you went to warp, because of the fabric of space! Yes, space has fabric, it's not a complete void, as Mr. Einstein proved, since if there was no fabric, we could see every star in the sky, once you got beyond any atmosphere, but as you know, some stars are brighter when they are closer to Earth, and the more distant ones are dimmer, because the fabric of space "shallows" up their light! To get a more fesible design, you would have to have the engines, the secondary hull and everything all in one place, all attached to the main body, like the Falcon! If the Enterprise would hit even warp one, the nacelles would be ripped off, and then the primary hull would rip away from the secondary hull, and not on purpose! :)

As far as the equipment on the Enterprise is concerned, having a device such as the transporter, on a ship with tricorders, phasers and communicators would be like having color TVs on the ship with Christopher Columbus!!! The technology of the transporter would be light years ahead of a communication device that could only transmit 50-100 miles like the communicators would. With our current state of technology, we can transmit much better than that every day, even without repeaters and such. As far as the instrumentation on the bridge, and in engineering and the transporter room, had you noticed that the stuff that they used on "Enterprise" looked more advanced than in TOS?
In reality, TOS should have something like a holo projection for their bridge controls. The viewscreen was supposed to be a holoscreen of sorts, according to the original design by Matt Jefferies, which was shown on STTNG! If the viewscreen was that way, why couldn't they have better manual controls on the bridge? They actually used icecube trays with resin castings for their bridge "buttons"! I would LOVE to back to 1962 and seek out Gene and help him make the whole production more advanced, so it would look great, but without any extra cost. My laptop would BLOW their minds, hehehehe. Imagine if Kirk sat down in his command chair, and punched a button to speak with Scotty, and an IPAD popped up, with a visual of Scotty in engineering? Same with any of the screens at any station! I could take back stuff from our time, which could be filmed with no problem, and I would be there constantly to make sure that it didn't fall into the "wrong" hands, like the CIA, hehehehee

And, lastly, everyone knows that Gene had been "inspired" to create Star Trek by the film "Forbidden Planet", with a captain, his second in command, the doctor and the engineer, the communications officers, etc. They even had a version of the transporter tubes, almost a decade before TREK even aired on TV!

Many people, on various sites, had pointed out all the shortcomings of TOS, from repairing someone who was injured with the transporter, or reversing age with it as well! There are many different situations that could have been, if someone would have pulled Gene aside and said "Hey...."
But Gene, as far as I knew from the couple of times that I actually got to speak with him, was a fairly advanced thinker, so why couldn't he see that all TVs in the future would be widescreen? Why couldn't he envision that we would have full stereo, or more? Or was he restricted too much by the studio, and the network? It's one of those questions that will never be fully answered. I would like to go back before the civil war, and start building up some money, so that by the time WW2 came about, I could have a couple of million dollars, and buy a bunch of gold, which would be worth a couple of billion after the war, and just produce the WHOLE show privately, build a soundstage off of the paramount lot, and just deal with the networks myself, keep going back to 1966, and create different unfilmed episodes, so we could have seasons 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8!!!! :) AND, all the new music by Sandy Courage, Fred Steiner, and the rest to go with them!

If only.....

William

We were talking, a couple of pages ago, about the TOS TREK, and I wanted to add the fact that
as far as reality is concerned, with TREK, as with Star Wars, you have to suspend disbelief.
William

All Sci Fi franchises have such a suspension my friend.

With Trek I think they dipped into the similar worlds well too often due to the budget.
With Star Wars Lucas says it was always a story about the brother and sister, but the business with Luke and and the princess kissing...
With Lost In Space it was a family trapped on a barren planet, where do they get food and repair parts and props for Smith? How much could they have brought from earth?
With Battlestar Galactica Classic it was how do human pilots outfly machines? How do they win battles when they are outnumbered and can only travel as fast as the slowest ship in the fleet?
With Space 1999 it was how much recycling can you do before the moonbase runs out of food and water and air?

Take it with a grain and just enjoy it.

No, they have a track on there (I heard it, I KNOW I did, hehehe) where Shatner says "This is William Shatner, Star Trek will return after these messages" or something like that! :)

We were talking, a couple of pages ago, about the TOS TREK, and I wanted to add the fact that
as far as reality is concerned, with TREK, as with Star Wars, you have to suspend disbelief. Now, starting with the Enterprise herself, anyone with a basic knowledge of physics knows that the design would not stand up in space. Having the nacelles separated from the main hull with pylons like that would be ripped from the ship the instant you went to warp, because of the fabric of space! Yes, space has fabric, it's not a complete void, as Mr. Einstein proved, since if there was no fabric, we could see every star in the sky, once you got beyond any atmosphere, but as you know, some stars are brighter when they are closer to Earth, and the more distant ones are dimmer, because the fabric of space "shallows" up their light! To get a more fesible design, you would have to have the engines, the secondary hull and everything all in one place, all attached to the main body, like the Falcon! If the Enterprise would hit even warp one, the nacelles would be ripped off, and then the primary hull would rip away from the secondary hull, and not on purpose! :)

As far as the equipment on the Enterprise is concerned, having a device such as the transporter, on a ship with tricorders, phasers and communicators would be like having color TVs on the ship with Christopher Columbus!!! The technology of the transporter would be light years ahead of a communication device that could only transmit 50-100 miles like the communicators would. With our current state of technology, we can transmit much better than that every day, even without repeaters and such. As far as the instrumentation on the bridge, and in engineering and the transporter room, had you noticed that the stuff that they used on "Enterprise" looked more advanced than in TOS?
In reality, TOS should have something like a holo projection for their bridge controls. The viewscreen was supposed to be a holoscreen of sorts, according to the original design by Matt Jefferies, which was shown on STTNG! If the viewscreen was that way, why couldn't they have better manual controls on the bridge? They actually used icecube trays with resin castings for their bridge "buttons"! I would LOVE to back to 1962 and seek out Gene and help him make the whole production more advanced, so it would look great, but without any extra cost. My laptop would BLOW their minds, hehehehe. Imagine if Kirk sat down in his command chair, and punched a button to speak with Scotty, and an IPAD popped up, with a visual of Scotty in engineering? Same with any of the screens at any station! I could take back stuff from our time, which could be filmed with no problem, and I would be there constantly to make sure that it didn't fall into the "wrong" hands, like the CIA, hehehehee

And, lastly, everyone knows that Gene had been "inspired" to create Star Trek by the film "Forbidden Planet", with a captain, his second in command, the doctor and the engineer, the communications officers, etc. They even had a version of the transporter tubes, almost a decade before TREK even aired on TV!

Many people, on various sites, had pointed out all the shortcomings of TOS, from repairing someone who was injured with the transporter, or reversing age with it as well! There are many different situations that could have been, if someone would have pulled Gene aside and said "Hey...."
But Gene, as far as I knew from the couple of times that I actually got to speak with him, was a fairly advanced thinker, so why couldn't he see that all TVs in the future would be widescreen? Why couldn't he envision that we would have full stereo, or more? Or was he restricted too much by the studio, and the network? It's one of those questions that will never be fully answered. I would like to go back before the civil war, and start building up some money, so that by the time WW2 came about, I could have a couple of million dollars, and buy a bunch of gold, which would be worth a couple of billion after the war, and just produce the WHOLE show privately, build a soundstage off of the paramount lot, and just deal with the networks myself, keep going back to 1966, and create different unfilmed episodes, so we could have seasons 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8!!!! :) AND, all the new music by Sandy Courage, Fred Steiner, and the rest to go with them!

If only.....

William

Excellent William! as usual! I guess the short answer is Money! as I understand it the TOS Enterprise model (11 foot) was suppose to have the Nacelles (where the intercoolers are) lite up in a purple color, but had do without it because of budgetary reasons...to bad! it would have look spectacular and tied into the Refit later on. Physics does have a way of peeing on our fun! but that is the whole thing about Sci-Fi!! suspending almost all reality and enjoying the movie and story....what could have been!!

That billion in gold would be worth Trillions today!! and TOS could still be on the air!! I can just see a 81 year old Captain Kirk! gumming his way across the Universe, and an 81 year old Spock with a walker :)

Scott

Well, Sean Connery is actually 80 this year!!! and, in my very humble opinion, would have made an EXCELLENT Captain Picard, but they would have had to change that name, no way could Sean ever be considered to be FRENCH!! Hehehehe, but he was their first choice for the roll, even though it was never officially offered to Sean. BTW, just a piece of trivia I found out yesterday, Sean was actually offered the roll of Gandalf for LOTR, for (get this) $450 MILLION!!!! He turned it down! The last role that Sean had was that horrible "League of extraordinary gentlemen" movie, which he was the exec producer! YIKES I thought, while watching the movie in the theatre, my gods, Sean, first "the Avengers" movie, where you are the bad guy, and now this?? Say it ain't so, Sean! Hehehehehehe :)

Scotty, well, I don't know if you know this, but at the end of WW2, over 2 BILLION of Nazi gold was discovered in a cave, along with artwork and such that the Nazi creeps had hoarded, and hoped would never be found, but it was, and under the protection of a US army General. HOWEVER, (this is where it gets good) within a week, the gold had totally DISAPPEARED!!! Without a trace! and it has never EVER been recovered or discovered! In 1973, gold had jumped from 35.00 an ounce to 837.00 an ounce!!! Imagine what 2 billion in gold would have been worth on Dec 31, 1973? Gold price today is approx 1,673.00 per ounce!! YIKES! talk about TRILLIONS!!! The gold cartel is a MONSTER! :)

Anyway, going back in time would be a challege, to say the least! AND, following an example set forth in "Quantum leap" if you could go back in time, before your birth (Sam beckett actually went back to the civil war in one episode) then, by the laws of the universe, you wouldn't die until your "time" was due. If you were supposed to die in 2017, at 5:36 in the evening of June 23 in that year, would you grow old and never die, or just stay the same age, never growing older? It would be an interesting experiment in temporal equations! Imagine going back to the building of the Egyptian empire, and just joining in on history, knowing everything that was going to happen, and observing history, making exact notes and documenting everything that happens, and collecting a nice little treasure of historical artifacts along the way, just like the "highlander" did! :) you would have more wealth than the freemasons, and you could save it in a secret little vault like "National treasure" hehehehehe, only FOR REAL!!!!

I always thought about going back, discovering Elvis, and getting some of his early work recorded in STEREO, and digital to boot, then helping out the Beatles, and prevent the killing of Kennedy, and John Lennon, things like that, really screwing with the timeline! Hey, I could always go back and clean the slate, hehehehehe

If only.......

Oops, time to talk about TOS trek again, before I get yelled at!

Hehehehehehe

Gotta go to the gym and workout anyway, before the big party tonight! (Yipee) :)

Have a GREAT New Year, everyone!


William

Actually Sean Connery is 82 years old and will be in 83 in August if he makes it.

Hard to believe that two of my fav actors Christopher Lee is 90 and Sean Connery 82 are that old now.

"League of extraordinary gentlemen", I like that movie. I also, go for the CLASSIC SC-FI, know as, why did they ever make that movie.

When STNG came out, I was excited. Gene was doing it, a NEW 1701, and crew. The thing I hated most about the show, was the main theme! It started with Courage's theme...then the THE STTMP theme! All new show, and they wanted the theme from Kirk and crew's movie. I still have not gotten over that. I think that Dennis McCarthy's theme is better.

Yes I do know! the General that was in command of that sector was General Patton and his 3rd. Army, as far as I understand it all the gold and art work had to be removed because the Russians were to take over that sector, "the Big Three arrangements at Yalta, the Merkers part of Germany would be taken over by the Russians after the war and that they certainly needed to get the treasure out of the area before the Russians got there! and General Patton was not going to allow the Russians to have it, so Eisenhower ordered it all moved to one of the Reichsbank in Frankfurt".


Here is a inventory of what was found: The inventory indicated that there were 8,198 bars of gold bullion; 55 boxes of crated gold bullion; hundreds of bags of gold items; over 1,300 bags of gold Reichsmarks, British gold pounds, and French gold francs; 711 bags of American twenty-dollar gold pieces; hundreds of bags of gold and silver coins; hundreds of bags of foreign currency; 9 bags of valuable coins; 2,380 bags and 1,300 boxes of Reichsmarks (2.76 billion Reichsmarks); 20 silver bars; 40 bags containing silver bars; 63 boxes and 55 bags of silver plate; 1 bag containing six platinum bars; and 110 bags from various countries. Value of the gold, silver, and currency was over $520 million in 1944 dollars! and large quantity of the loot appeared to have been taken by the SS from their victims.

This was reported at the time from General Patton "As the jittery elevator descended with ever-accelerating speed down the pitch-black shaft, with a German operating the elevator, Bernstein was concerned about their safety. So was Patton. Looking at the single cable, Patton said if the cable snapped "promotions in the United States Army would be considerably stimulated." General Eisenhower said "OK George, that's enough. No more cracks until we are above ground again." LOL

You can read the whole story here Nazi Gold: The Merkers Mine Treasure (http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/1999/spring/nazi-gold-merkers-mine-treasure.html) that is of course you believe the US Government is giving us the truth.

But here is a conclusion to the story...

"At an international Nazi Gold conference held in London in December 1997, several countries agreed to relinquish their claims to their share of the remaining 5.5 metric tons (worth about sixty million dollars) still held by the Tripartite Gold Commission (TGC) and donate it to a Nazi Persecution Relief Fund to help survivors of the Holocaust. Almost all of the claimant nations similarly agreed to such a policy during the course of 1998. Early in September 1998, in a ceremony held in Paris, the TGC announced its task was completed and went out of business. Thus, the Merkers story ends on a noble, selfless, just, and moral note, as upwards of fifteen countries were willing to forego receiving gold stolen from their nations by the Nazis and allow it to be used as compensation for victims of Nazi persecution".

Scott

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"League of extraordinary gentlemen", I like that movie. I also, go for the CLASSIC SC-FI, know as, why did they ever make that movie.

When STNG came out, I was excited. Gene was doing it, a NEW 1701, and crew. The thing I hated most about the show, was the main theme! It started with Courage's theme...then the THE STTMP theme! All new show, and they wanted the theme from Kirk and crew's movie. I still have not gotten over that. I think that Dennis McCarthy's theme is better.

I liked the movie as well and still watch it. I always that STTNG them was okay! but could have used a make over to something better...they should have given the job to Goldsmith.

Scott

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Happy New Year to All Of You!!!

Scott

Happy New Year to y'all!

The gold was really found by Kelly's Heroes, and what was really turned over was from Fort Knot. That is why there has been talk of this cliff...or something.

Scotty, I agree, Goldsmith should have got the job. He proved many times, he understood Star Trek.

Happy New Year to y'all!

The gold was really found by Kelly's Heroes, and what was really turned over was from Fort Knot. That is why there has been talk of this cliff...or something.

Scotty, I agree, Goldsmith should have got the job. He proved many times, he understood Star Trek.

I love Kelly's Heroes!! what a great movie!! I can't remember how many times I saw it at the theater, have the DVD and Soundtrack!! still makes my laugh...

Yeah come Wednesday (market closed tomorrow) people are really going to feel it!...just wait until obamacare kicks in on top of that!! good thing I got rid of all my 401k's :)

Scott

I have a TOS music question, theres a cue in the Tholian web episode which takes place in most of the space scenes, anyone know what that cue is called? It's first heard in the first Enterprise/Defiant exterior shot.

Yeah come Wednesday (market closed tomorrow) people are really going to feel it!...just wait until obamacare kicks in on top of that!! good thing I got rid of all my 401k's :)

Scott

THE BUSH TAX CUTS + SPENDING LIKE NO TOMORROW =

HAVE A NICE DAY.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/tears8.gif

AZSneed that sums it all up!!

Scott

Just make sure you all know where the Exits are!!!

As the New Year approaches, and I http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/42.gif this post, listening to http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/AnimatedGifStarTrek12.gif music, and hearing explosions all around me, as the fighting come nearer, I have to admit that this might be my last post.....OR, it is fireworks, and I need to go http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/party.gif.

No, they have a track on there (I heard it, I KNOW I did, hehehe) where Shatner says "This is Having the nacelles separated from the main hull with pylons like that would be ripped from the ship the instant you went to warp, because of the fabric of space!

William
You're forgetting that warp drive is actually bending space around the ship. They don't push the ship like jet engines do with airplanes so nothing would get ripped. :)


No, they have a track on there (I heard it, I KNOW I did, hehehe) where Shatner says "This is William Shatner, Star Trek will return after these messages" or something like that! :)

William

I think someone uploaded that on Youtube once... seems to be gone now.
At least there's this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmnxTFQqUco

EDIT: Here's Nimoy bumper:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRalX_Fkb7Q

And check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQW3dfW2kyg

As the New Year approaches, and I http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/42.gif this post, listening to http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/AnimatedGifStarTrek12.gif music, and hearing explosions all around me, as the fighting come nearer, I have to admit that this might be my last post.....OR, it is fireworks, and I need to go http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/party.gif.

LOL

you need to go! have a good time!!! just don't do it in my corridors laddie or you may end up like Lt. Riley! ;)

Scott

You're forgetting that warp drive is actually bending space around the ship. They don't push the ship like jet engines do with airplanes so nothing would get ripped. :)



I think someone uploaded that on Youtube once... seems to be gone now.
At least there's this:
Bumper Fan Out '68 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmnxTFQqUco)

EDIT: Here's Nimoy bumper:
STAR TREK NBC 1967 NIMOY INTRO 16mm - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRalX_Fkb7Q)

And check this out:
star trek 3rd season nbc promo - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQW3dfW2kyg)

These are great!

No, they have a track on there (I heard it, I KNOW I did, hehehe) where Shatner says "This is William Shatner, Star Trek will return after these messages" or something like that! :)

We were talking, a couple of pages ago, about the TOS TREK, and I wanted to add the fact that
as far as reality is concerned, with TREK, as with Star Wars, you have to suspend disbelief. Now, starting with the Enterprise herself, anyone with a basic knowledge of physics knows that the design would not stand up in space. Having the nacelles separated from the main hull with pylons like that would be ripped from the ship the instant you went to warp, because of the fabric of space! Yes, space has fabric, it's not a complete void, as Mr. Einstein proved, since if there was no fabric, we could see every star in the sky, once you got beyond any atmosphere, but as you know, some stars are brighter when they are closer to Earth, and the more distant ones are dimmer, because the fabric of space "shallows" up their light! To get a more fesible design, you would have to have the engines, the secondary hull and everything all in one place, all attached to the main body, like the Falcon! If the Enterprise would hit even warp one, the nacelles would be ripped off, and then the primary hull would rip away from the secondary hull, and not on purpose! :)

As far as the equipment on the Enterprise is concerned, having a device such as the transporter, on a ship with tricorders, phasers and communicators would be like having color TVs on the ship with Christopher Columbus!!! The technology of the transporter would be light years ahead of a communication device that could only transmit 50-100 miles like the communicators would. With our current state of technology, we can transmit much better than that every day, even without repeaters and such. As far as the instrumentation on the bridge, and in engineering and the transporter room, had you noticed that the stuff that they used on "Enterprise" looked more advanced than in TOS?
In reality, TOS should have something like a holo projection for their bridge controls. The viewscreen was supposed to be a holoscreen of sorts, according to the original design by Matt Jefferies, which was shown on STTNG! If the viewscreen was that way, why couldn't they have better manual controls on the bridge? They actually used icecube trays with resin castings for their bridge "buttons"! I would LOVE to back to 1962 and seek out Gene and help him make the whole production more advanced, so it would look great, but without any extra cost. My laptop would BLOW their minds, hehehehe. Imagine if Kirk sat down in his command chair, and punched a button to speak with Scotty, and an IPAD popped up, with a visual of Scotty in engineering? Same with any of the screens at any station! I could take back stuff from our time, which could be filmed with no problem, and I would be there constantly to make sure that it didn't fall into the "wrong" hands, like the CIA, hehehehee

And, lastly, everyone knows that Gene had been "inspired" to create Star Trek by the film "Forbidden Planet", with a captain, his second in command, the doctor and the engineer, the communications officers, etc. They even had a version of the transporter tubes, almost a decade before TREK even aired on TV!

Many people, on various sites, had pointed out all the shortcomings of TOS, from repairing someone who was injured with the transporter, or reversing age with it as well! There are many different situations that could have been, if someone would have pulled Gene aside and said "Hey...."
But Gene, as far as I knew from the couple of times that I actually got to speak with him, was a fairly advanced thinker, so why couldn't he see that all TVs in the future would be widescreen? Why couldn't he envision that we would have full stereo, or more? Or was he restricted too much by the studio, and the network? It's one of those questions that will never be fully answered. I would like to go back before the civil war, and start building up some money, so that by the time WW2 came about, I could have a couple of million dollars, and buy a bunch of gold, which would be worth a couple of billion after the war, and just produce the WHOLE show privately, build a soundstage off of the paramount lot, and just deal with the networks myself, keep going back to 1966, and create different unfilmed episodes, so we could have seasons 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8!!!! :) AND, all the new music by Sandy Courage, Fred Steiner, and the rest to go with them!

If only.....

William

Well Star Trek fans are very lucky. At least you can watch every episode ever created. Think of us poor Doctor Who fans....So many episodes from the 60's are missing. Destroyed by the BBC. do you know that they wiped one episode befor it was transmitted and had to use a telecine print on broadcast day. So many classic stories either completely missing or with missing episodes. Some times some are found in lofts or in foreign countries tv companies vaults, but alas not enough. Si if I could go back in time (very apt for Doctor Who) then I would take a bluray recorder to record all the missing episodes. :(

You're forgetting that warp drive is actually bending space around the ship. They don't push the ship like jet engines do with airplanes so nothing would get ripped. :)






Yes, that is true, the warp "bubble" would push normal space out of the ships path, but even "Null space" or "N-space" as Mr. Einstein had referred to it, has a fabric, so something would hit against the ship, and rip the nacelles off! There are even light photons in the dead of space! :)

AND, before anyone asks, NO, I am not a physics expert! Heheehehehe

William

Is anyone going to answer my question? XD

Perhaps no one knows the answer to your question. Or, perhaps since it is a holiday, they are doing a real life thing and having outside lives. Dunno. If you have the new box set's art, you could look to see if Tholian web is one of the episodes on the set, and if so what the track's name is. It may not be there, many episodes had tracked cues, and so the music is not repeated on the set. In that case there are a fair number of episodes not represented.

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Also keep in mind that it has not even been 24 hours since you asked.

Yeah. And above that it has been before the new year and nobody really expected the answer would still matter
looking at the high blood alcohol levels :D

@William: N-Space, sure, but don't forget "the infinities will cancel each other out". If you can tell me the line of TNG episode were you hear that sentence you are personal holo ... ah ... hero ... damn ...

Well Star Trek fans are very lucky. At least you can watch every episode ever created. Think of us poor Doctor Who fans....So many episodes from the 60's are missing. Destroyed by the BBC. do you know that they wiped one episode befor it was transmitted and had to use a telecine print on broadcast day. So many classic stories either completely missing or with missing episodes. Some times some are found in lofts or in foreign countries tv companies vaults, but alas not enough. Si if I could go back in time (very apt for Doctor Who) then I would take a bluray recorder to record all the missing episodes. :(

It is sad what the BBC did to Doctor Who original episodes!! most well probably never be recovered or found! where the 60's shows filmed? or taped? sounds like they were taped! and ended up like so many other shows...erased and reused for something else. To bad they were not shown here, they might have survived.

Scott

It is sad what the BBC did to Doctor Who original episodes!! most well probably never be recovered or found! where the 60's shows filmed? or taped? sounds like they were taped! and ended up like so many other shows...erased and reused for something else. To bad they were not shown here, they might have survived.

Scott
Yep, all studio stuff was taped, only OB stuff was filmed. They then used to do telecine transfers to sell to other countries, and that is the only way they get back to us now. There was one episode from the ROMANS that came back from a middle east country and it was dubbed in Arabic. It's then that they have to get audio recordings fans made on reel to reel tape with a microphone in front of the TV speaker on the original broadcast. So at least there are audio recordings of every episode.

Edit:

In actual fact scotty, terror of the autons colour copy was destroyed by the BBC, but the US still had an NTSC copy, so they took the US coppy and used it to overlay the colour onto the black and white 16mm telecine copy. So the US did help.

On November 23rd of this New Year, will be Doctor Who's 50th Anniversary! Maybe a World search for the missing episodes could be done.

On November 23rd of this New Year, will be Doctor Who's 50th Anniversary! Maybe a World search for the missing episodes could be done.

That would be good. But my optimism is waining now.The time involved between the found episodes seems to be longer and longer.

Yep, all studio stuff was taped, only OB stuff was filmed. They then used to do telecine transfers to sell to other countries, and that is the only way they get back to us now. There was one episode from the ROMANS that came back from a middle east country and it was dubbed in Arabic. It's then that they have to get audio recordings fans made on reel to reel tape with a microphone in front of the TV speaker on the original broadcast. So at least there are audio recordings of every episode.

Edit:

In actual fact scotty, terror of the autons colour copy was destroyed by the BBC, but the US still had an NTSC copy, so they took the US coppy and used it to overlay the colour onto the black and white 16mm telecine copy. So the US did help.

We did something right!! I'm sure Canada was checked as well!! and found nothing....how sad :(

Scott

It is sad what the BBC did to Doctor Who original episodes!! most well probably never be recovered or found! where the 60's shows filmed? or taped? sounds like they were taped! and ended up like so many other shows...erased and reused for something else. To bad they were not shown here, they might have survived.

Scott

It sadly didn't happen only to Dr Who. Worst case is probably "The avengers" (no, not cap america and his friends). the first three series were wiped, and only a handful of episodes have survived (two for series one, and series two and three survived only as telerecordings, in relatively poor quality.)

Fun fact: this nearly happened to "monty Python Flying circus", but Terry Jones bought the masters and stored them at his home.

On November 23rd of this New Year, will be Doctor Who's 50th Anniversary! Maybe a World search for the missing episodes could be done.

I'm sure where ever else it was shown has already destroyed there copies or reused the tapes way before now, and the British Government has better things to do then ask every country on the planet to check their video vaults.

Scott

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It sadly didn't happen only to Dr Who. Worst case is probably "The avengers" (no, not cap america and his friends). the first three series were wiped, and only a handful of episodes have survived (two for series one, and series two and three survived only as telerecordings, in relatively poor quality.)

Fun fact: this nearly happened to "monty Python Flying circus", but Terry Jones bought the masters and stored them at his home.

Ah crap!! The Avengers Too!!! damn I loved that show...especially Emma Peel (Diana Rigg) got to love the BBC!

Thank God Terry Jones saved the master tapes!

What the hell is wrong with the BBC!! did they wipe the tapes to save money or what? I can't believe they did that!! what a bunch of knuckle heads...they should find the idiot or idiots and put there head's on the block.

Scott

I looked up about the missing Doctor Who, 106 episodes lost. So much is lost, and we are very lucky to have Star Trek, mostly intact. What about the scenes from Where No Man Has Gone Before not included on the DVDs.

I looked up about the missing Doctor Who, 106 episodes lost. So much is lost, and we are very lucky to have Star Trek, mostly intact. What about the scenes from Where No Man Has Gone Before not included on the DVDs.

Which scenes are you referring to? as far as I know they are all there! or are you thinking of the first Pilot "The Cage"?

Scott

No,Where No Man Has Gone Before. I saw some of it on Youtube. I did some checking and found the the alternitive version is on the 3rd season Blu-ray set as a special feature. Here is the story about it, More Details On Alternative Version of ‘Where No Man Has Gone Before’ In TOS Season 3 Blu-ray Set | TrekMovie.com (http://trekmovie.com/2009/11/12/more-details-on-alternative-version-of-where-no-man-has-gone-before-in-tos-season-3-blu-ray-set/). So, I won't be seeing it, I don't have any HD stuff.

As far as Who is concerned... At the time, videotape was stupidly expensive. They taped stuff, put it on TV, blanked out the tapes, and reused them. They had no conception of repeats, home video, historical interest - it was just some silly show they made, broadcast once, and then moved on with their lives.

It sounds utterly unthinkable these days, but think about it with a 1960s mindset; what's the point in keeping expensive tapes with a cheap kids show when all they'd do is sit in a vault gathering dust. At the time, their reasons were sound. If Who had been shot entirely on film (and, more importantly, finished on film) as Trek TOS was, they would probably still be in the archives. Film cannot be re-used and throwing it away requires effort... ergo, it stays. (Assuming it doesn't catch fire, or get nicked...)

I would think that probably all the missing episodes do exist out there, somehow, in some form - whether it be black and white film recordings (from which colour can sometimes be recovered), off-air recordings made on domestic videotape, or copies stored in foreign TV archives... Whether they will be discovered is another matter... Every day that passes those old reels deteriorate; and they're not stored in ideal environments. They're sitting in boxes in people's attics. The people who own them don't know they've got them. They're not looking after them - and they may well chuck them out thinking they're worthless. Their owners are growing old now and when they pass away, odds on all those boxes will go to the dump. It's a sad thought.

No,Where No Man Has Gone Before. I saw some of it on Youtube. I did some checking and found the the alternitive version is on the 3rd season Blu-ray set as a special feature. Here is the story about it, More Details On Alternative Version of ‘Where No Man Has Gone Before’ In TOS Season 3 Blu-ray Set | TrekMovie.com (http://trekmovie.com/2009/11/12/more-details-on-alternative-version-of-where-no-man-has-gone-before-in-tos-season-3-blu-ray-set/). So, I won't be seeing it, I don't have any HD stuff.

I had originally found this on a DVD ISO done by the people behind New Voyages, which had the original untouched version (VHS quality) and a re-touched version using the additional VHS footage and footage from the season 1 DVD release (think of how The Cage was "reassembled"... B&W, then color, then B&W). Unfortunately, I lost the copy I had in a hard drive failure. I cannot remember where I downloaded it, but I do remember the disclaimer saying at the beginning that they would remove it from being online should it have an official release...which came with the Blu-ray. I'll have a look around, but doubt I'll find it.

No,Where No Man Has Gone Before. I saw some of it on Youtube. I did some checking and found the the alternitive version is on the 3rd season Blu-ray set as a special feature. Here is the story about it, More Details On Alternative Version of ‘Where No Man Has Gone Before’ In TOS Season 3 Blu-ray Set | TrekMovie.com (http://trekmovie.com/2009/11/12/more-details-on-alternative-version-of-where-no-man-has-gone-before-in-tos-season-3-blu-ray-set/). So, I won't be seeing it, I don't have any HD stuff.

I never know there was an alternative version!! wow what a fine, but alas I don't have HD either, well my computer monitor is HD but no blu-ray player and I'm not going to sit at my monitor and watch a movie or TV show for hours...my back just won't take it anymore. Hopefully someone will put it on youtub and I can download it and watch it at my leisure...Thanks AZ for that piece of info.

Scott

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As far as Who is concerned... At the time, videotape was stupidly expensive. They taped stuff, put it on TV, blanked out the tapes, and reused them. They had no conception of repeats, home video, historical interest - it was just some silly show they made, broadcast once, and then moved on with their lives.

It sounds utterly unthinkable these days, but think about it with a 1960s mindset; what's the point in keeping expensive tapes with a cheap kids show when all they'd do is sit in a vault gathering dust. At the time, their reasons were sound. If Who had been shot entirely on film (and, more importantly, finished on film) as Trek TOS was, they would probably still be in the archives. Film cannot be re-used and throwing it away requires effort... ergo, it stays. (Assuming it doesn't catch fire, or get nicked...)

I would think that probably all the missing episodes do exist out there, somehow, in some form - whether it be black and white film recordings (from which colour can sometimes be recovered), off-air recordings made on domestic videotape, or copies stored in foreign TV archives... Whether they will be discovered is another matter... Every day that passes those old reels deteriorate; and they're not stored in ideal environments. They're sitting in boxes in people's attics. The people who own them don't know they've got them. They're not looking after them - and they may well chuck them out thinking they're worthless. Their owners are growing old now and when they pass away, odds on all those boxes will go to the dump. It's a sad thought.

Yeah I though about what I said earlier and then you posted just about what I was thinking!! and unfortunately your spot on....it is sad to think they will end up in some dump! if only we could go back in time and change it...nice thought! Thanks William for bring up time travel, getting our hopes up and busting our bubbles ;)

YEAH!! thats it...lets blame WILLIAM for crapping on our lost dreams!! oh the hell with it....shutting down the warp core, jettisoning the fusion reactors, and vetting all atmosphere in the ship...say goodnight Gracie!! :)

Scott

I never know there was an alternative version!! wow what a fine, but alas I don't have HD either, well my computer monitor is HD but no blu-ray player and I'm not going to sit at my monitor and watch a movie or TV show for hours...my back just won't take it anymore. Hopefully someone will put it on youtub and I can download it and watch it at my leisure...Thanks AZ for that piece of info.

Scott

The "alternate" version is the original edit that was presented to the studio. After it was picked up, they needed to edit it for TV. I think there was about 2-3 minutes cut out, mostly at the beginning, including an alternate title sequence, and opening narration. 99% beyond that is the same, except for "ACT" breaks. I would rip it from the blu-ray myself, but don't have a blu-ray drive in my computer.

Scotty, I watch ALL of my DVDs on my PC. I like to get screen grabs, mainly for research for building models.I just wish I could FINISH more of them.

Thanks to ComicsJoe's links to Youtube's TOS bumpers, I am collecting them to add to my TOS music files. Is the one that has Nimoy on THE set? Still hoping to finally get all of the CDs, so I don't know for sure.

Thanks! Didn't know about the alternate 'Where No Man...". What is with that description? "Presented in three parts with 1970s-style act breaks..." - 1970s?

Thanks! Didn't know about the alternate 'Where No Man...". What is with that description? "Presented in three parts with 1970s-style act breaks..." - 1970s?

lol, someone obviously made a typo.

Well, we really need to get that last disc, just to get that alt version, and all of the home movies of Billy Blackburn!

AND, I really do not like being blamed for the lack of time travel! :( If I had it my way, humans would have gotten that invented back in the 70's, and then they really would have fucked up the timestream, and we would all be speaking German or Japanese, or something like that! Hehehehehe

Driving around the city during the holidays, and seeing all the crazy drivers screwing up the traffic flow, I turned to my wife and said "aren't you glad that they haven't invented FLYING cars by now?" Hehehehehe I just cannot wait for that! Just think, you could be sitting at home, watching TV, getting ready to go to bed, or enjoying a nice warm shower, when someone crashes their car into your roof!!!

Just can't wait for the future. Hehehehehe

William

Well Star Trek fans are very lucky. At least you can watch every episode ever created. Think of us poor Doctor Who fans....So many episodes from the 60's are missing. Destroyed by the BBC. do you know that they wiped one episode befor it was transmitted and had to use a telecine print on broadcast day. So many classic stories either completely missing or with missing episodes. Some times some are found in lofts or in foreign countries tv companies vaults, but alas not enough. Si if I could go back in time (very apt for Doctor Who) then I would take a bluray recorder to record all the missing episodes. :(

BBC ought to get an animation company to recreate them with CGI (yeah, I know that some have been done... but with crappy flash animation...)


Yes, that is true, the warp "bubble" would push normal space out of the ships path, but even "Null space" or "N-space" as Mr. Einstein had referred to it, has a fabric, so something would hit against the ship, and rip the nacelles off! There are even light photons in the dead of space! :)

AND, before anyone asks, NO, I am not a physics expert! Heheehehehe

William

Nah. This would actually happen:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2234397/Bad-news-Scotty-Star-Trek-style-warp-drive-systems-turn-spacecraft-Death-Stars-destroy-planets-arrival.html

Though I think some physicists came up with a solution for that... Oh, well, after all - it's still in primitive stages. :)

Well, that's just another THEORY!! :) I just love both scientists and religious zealots alike, that come up with all sorts of "doomsayer" theories, basically just trying to get people listen to them, or get their name in the papers! I remember, back in the 70's, one scientist had declared to one of the British press that it was a "fact" that our galaxy, the Milky Way, was heading for a doomsday, because the galaxy Andromeda was going to collide with the Milky Way, and totally destroy it! This is a FACT, but it won't happen for another 5 billion years!!!! :) By that time, we'll all be living in another galaxy, far, far away! Hehehehe.
I had to laugh this morning at the news: apparently China wants to build a moonbase, and NASA told them that they have to find a way to avoid deadly outer space radiation! This is EXACTLY what I've been saying for decades now! :) Without our atmosphere, and the "Van Allen" belts that surround the Earth, we would be fried meat in a nanosecond! That's a FACT! It just boggles the mind! Hehehehe :)

William

Scotty, I watch ALL of my DVDs on my PC. I like to get screen grabs, mainly for research for building models.I just wish I could FINISH more of them.

Thanks to ComicsJoe's links to Youtube's TOS bumpers, I am collecting them to add to my TOS music files. Is the one that has Nimoy on THE set? Still hoping to finally get all of the CDs, so I don't know for sure.

I have no blu-ray player either in my computer! I injured my back on the job years ago and now that I'm older it has come back to bite me on the butt...per say! but sitting in this chair I need a pillow for my lower back support...even that is not enough some times!....I can sneeze and throw out my back sometimes and thats it! I can't do anything but lie down and take my pain pills and muscle relaxant pills (which I hate to take! I don't like the feeling of no self control) and sleep!! and thats about all I can do. This is what happens when you have to man handle people, get hit by a car and of course carry about 25 to 30 pounds on your waist for 12 hour shifts. Enough of my complaining....on with the show :)

Scott

Well, try falling down a concrete staircase, and smashing your back on one of the concrete corners! I did that in 1989, and it took me about a year of therapy to just be able to walk correctly. But I was lucky, as my doctor had told me about the "inversion" boots, and I went out, and bought a pair, and put a bar up in the garage, with a rope to help me pull myself up, and I would hang upside down for 30 minutes a day, with a football helmet on my head, with fishing weights that I glued onto it, to stretch my whole spine out. Not only did it help a compressed spinal situation in my neck, but it helped my back, with little pain meds at all! Now people think that I'm either a career military man, since I walk so "proper", or that I have been working out alot lately!:)
Either way, I'm lucky to be pain free at my age. But, I feel your pain, buddy.

William

Well, we really need to get that last disc, just to get that alt version, and all of the home movies of Billy Blackburn!

AND, I really do not like being blamed for the lack of time travel! :( If I had it my way, humans would have gotten that invented back in the 70's, and then they really would have fucked up the timestream, and we would all be speaking German or Japanese, or something like that! Hehehehehe

Driving around the city during the holidays, and seeing all the crazy drivers screwing up the traffic flow, I turned to my wife and said "aren't you glad that they haven't invented FLYING cars by now?" Hehehehehe I just cannot wait for that! Just think, you could be sitting at home, watching TV, getting ready to go to bed, or enjoying a nice warm shower, when someone crashes their car into your roof!!!

Just can't wait for the future. Hehehehehe

William

William you know I was just kidding my friend :)

I read a paper once about time travel and it stated that if we were able to get time travel and not mess up the time line, or cause any one of the "Temporal Paradox", "Grandfather Paradox", "Ontological Paradox", or "The Reverse Grandfather Paradox" all we could really do is watch and not interact with the past or remove anything from the past. Edward Farhi, a theoretical physicist at MIT "To warp space-time enough to create a closed timelike curve as well as power the spaceship would demand half of the universe's matter and energy." in other words time travel is out of the question....rats!

Yeah it has always fascinated me about people wanting all these flying cars, hover boards, or what have you, is they never stop and think about the human (that is fallible) operating that machine could never get drunk, pass out from some medical problem or medication they are taking and drive right into your roof and then have the damn thing explode because of the power required to lift it and move it forward or backward is going to be huge...lets say Fusion! can we say Nuclear Bomb!! now that would Ruin your night and make you glow in the dark for a few thousand years...

Scott

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Well, try falling down a concrete staircase, and smashing your back on one of the concrete corners! I did that in 1989, and it took me about a year of therapy to just be able to walk correctly. But I was lucky, as my doctor had told me about the "inversion" boots, and I went out, and bought a pair, and put a bar up in the garage, with a rope to help me pull myself up, and I would hang upside down for 30 minutes a day, with a football helmet on my head, with fishing weights that I glued onto it, to stretch my whole spine out. Not only did it help a compressed spinal situation in my neck, but it helped my back, with little pain meds at all! Now people think that I'm either a career military man, since I walk so "proper", or that I have been working out alot lately!:)
Either way, I'm lucky to be pain free at my age. But, I feel your pain, buddy.

William

Ouch!! that hurts!! you are a very lucky guy William. My son's like to say "Looks like the old man has a rod up his backside" the way I was trained! I walk the same way as you "Ramrod Straight" well I try too ;-)

I've been shoved into wall's, cars, doors even into ditches (this is when we had no vests or if we did they where from the 1970's with lead in them, and where I live in the summer it's like 110 here, sometimes higher) so we did not use them, when we did start to get newer vests the damn things where open on the sides!! covered the front and back with no trauma plate (cover the heart) if one got shot -and depends on the caliber used-you would still die and your family would just get a whole body with no entry or exit wounds...Oh! so many fun Friday & Saturday nights, breaking up bar fights in piss ant county towns, where your nearest backup was 30 to 40 minutes away! but I did love my job, it differently had it's good times...and not once have I regretted it.

I can't use that method, I should have said also (which I did not find out about until I was about 40) that I have a mild case of Myelomeningocele (Spinal Bifida) so hanging upside down won't do me any good...just have to live with it.

Scott

William, I thought you were going to say above...Driving around the city during the holidays,with my wife, I used the Slingshot Effect, to go back in time... that would have been so cool!http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/spocksmiley.gif

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I have no blu-ray player either in my computer! I injured my back on the job years ago and now that I'm older it has come back to bite me on the butt...per say! but sitting in this chair I need a pillow for my lower back support...even that is not enough some times!....I can sneeze and throw out my back sometimes and thats it! I can't do anything but lie down and take my pain pills and muscle relaxant pills (which I hate to take! I don't like the feeling of no self control) and sleep!! and thats about all I can do. This is what happens when you have to man handle people, get hit by a car and of course carry about 25 to 30 pounds on your waist for 12 hour shifts. Enough of my complaining....on with the show :)

Scott

For me, it is my knees, both need to be replace, and arthritis in my lower back and neck. No pills worked, so it is pain, pain, etc. I worked almost 25 years in Steel Fabrication shops, heavy lifting. So I do understand your pain in the back.

On a music note, I notice lately, when I'm riding a handicapped scooter in the grocery store, I'm humming the Cube theme from The Corbomite Maneuver. I just don't know why it popped in my head, I guess I finally gone over the edge for Star Trek.

I looked up about the missing Doctor Who, 106 episodes lost. So much is lost, and we are very lucky to have Star Trek, mostly intact. What about the scenes from Where No Man Has Gone Before not included on the DVDs.

that's more than the avengers, and it's indeed a shame. For the avengers, only the first series is completely lost (26 eps), and the next 52 (with Cathy Gale and Honor Blackman) only subsist as telerecordings.

Diana riggs :swoon: was luckily spared.

William, I thought you were going to say above...Driving around the city during the holidays,with my wife, I used the Slingshot Effect, to go back in time... that would have been so cool!http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/spocksmiley.gif

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For me, it is my knees, both need to be replace, and arthritis in my lower back and neck. No pills worked, so it is pain, pain, etc. I worked almost 25 years in Steel Fabrication shops, heavy lifting. So I do understand your pain in the back.

On a music note, I notice lately, when I'm riding a handicapped scooter in the grocery store, I'm humming the Cube theme from The Corbomite Maneuver. I just don't know why it popped in my head, I guess I finally gone over the edge for Star Trek.

You know every time I think I have it worse! there is someone worse off then I am!! the worst part is the constant pain, that is debilitating and then some...Brother I feel for you!!! and the surgeries never work, just seem to makes things worse or nothing gets better...the old, damned if you do and damned if you don't....but we just keep keeping on!

LOOOOL I burned all the TOS music to CD and play it in the car (when I have to go out) and I love the music for the fight scene of "Amok Time" the looks I get!! LOOOOL I just saw the episode of the "Big Bang Theory" where there they set up a laser field and did the "Secret Agent Laser Obstacle Chess" and did the same song!! I laughed my butt off on that one! so your not alone my friend!! :)

Scott

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that's more than the avengers, and it's indeed a shame. For the avengers, only the first series is completely lost (26 eps), and the next 52 (with Cathy Gale and Honor Blackman) only subsist as telerecordings.

Diana riggs :swoon: was luckily spared.

Oh Yeah...Dian Riggs was a hottie back then!!

That is sicking to think the first 26 episodes are lost!! it's has to be a miracle that "The Prisoner" survived, and "The Saint" and a few others...

What a shame :(

Scott

Scott, you need to pick and choose from the TOS scores, and make a driving CD. Then when you see a cop, Klingon or Romulan theme, and as you pull to a place you don't like, the Doomsday Machine's Goodbye Decker theme. We all need a soundtrack in life, it is better when it is TOS music!

Oh Yeah...Diana Rigg was a hottie back then!!

That is sicking to think the first 26 episodes are lost!! it's has to be a miracle that "The Prisoner" survived, and "The Saint" and a few others...

What a shame :(

Scott

Well, most of that stuff was done on film and for world wide distribution. The Diana Rigg and later episodes of the Avengers were done for the American market primarily. The ITC shows (The Prisoner, The Saint) were also done with an eye for American airing, so film was the norm for those. There was no tape to erase. I suppose they could have tossed the film reels, but they didn't. Most of these shows went right into American syndication or had limited Network runs (The Avengers, The Saint, Danger Man (Secret Agent in the US) were the most successful on network TV. The Prisoner also had it's full run on CBS. After their runs, they hit the syndie market. Were these simply BBC shows on video, they probably would have been purged. Many Dr. Who episodes were destroyed very late in the game, surprisingly.

Scott, you need to pick and choose from the TOS scores, and make a driving CD. Then when you see a cop, Klingon or Romulan theme, and as you pull to a place you don't like, the Doomsday Machine's Goodbye Decker theme. We all need a soundtrack in life, it is better when it is TOS music!

Thats my next job!! I just wanted to make sure if my new HD crashed I could put it back in again :)

We have a hand sign we give to let them know I'm one of them (and it's not the middle finger) hehehehehe they can tell real quick if they ran my license plate number!! it comes back as NOF (Not On File) plus I have my retired Department ID with me at all times. Oh I agree 100 percent TOS music is the best!! the problem is I have is so many soundtracks in life, it all depends on my mood, most of the time it's the fast heroic mode I love the best...you know Superman theme, "He's Back" from "Superman Returns","Battle Of The Parapets" from Krull things like that...If my youngest son (28) is in the car with me I have to turn off the CD player, my music is not his style, but we both enjoy music from the 60's, my oldest (31) son likes my music and we have a blast!!! :)

Scott

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Well, most of that stuff was done on film and for world wide distribution. The Diana Rigg and later episodes of the Avengers were done for the American market primarily. The ITC shows (The Prisoner, The Saint) were also done with an eye for American airing, so film was the norm for those. There was no tape to erase. I suppose they could have tossed the film reels, but they didn't. Most of these shows went right into American syndication or had limited Network runs (The Avengers, The Saint, Danger Man (Secret Agent in the US) were the most successful on network TV. The Prisoner also had it's full run on CBS. After their runs, they hit the syndie market. Were these simply BBC shows on video, they probably would have been purged. Many Dr. Who episodes were destroyed very late in the game, surprisingly.

Okay I understand it better now!! thanks ssosmcin :)

I watched those shows when they first came on TV here and thought they were all done the same "Filmed"! even Dr. Who! I guess they never had the intention of sending it to the USA when it first came on the air. To bad to, we might have more of the lost episodes and not wanting a hang the BBC for their stupidity.

Scott

The BBC never intended to run anything more than once, apparently. We're lucky they held onto anything as long as they did. Shows like Who and Blakes 7 used fil for outdoor location scene, video for indoor sets. The change is distracting.

Lew Grade, head of ITC, was a pioneer of global TV distribution. He wanted his shows to look like films on their limited budgets. A lot of those shows still look great.

The BBC never intended to run anything more than once, apparently. We're lucky they held onto anything as long as they did. Shows like Who and Blakes 7 used fil for outdoor location scene, video for indoor sets. The change is distracting.

Lew Grade, head of ITC, was a pioneer of global TV distribution. He wanted his shows to look like films on their limited budgets. A lot of those shows still look great.

Yes they do look great!!! Sir Lew Grade was a genius for his time!

I guess in England the Government owns TV productions? and the stations? is that how it works over there? because if they do...I can see why your Television Productions have so many problems. I know Fox owns a studio there, but the rest I have no idea who owns them or if they are owned by your Government or what!

Scott

I was told by a young'un, that you know you are getting http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/old.gif, when they call your music "Classic". This was back in the mid 90's when my radio at work played CLASSIC ROCK AND ROLL, HITS OF THE 60'S AND 70'S. I love Pink Floyd!

As for soundtracks, I have almost 800 CDs. Plus more on LP and cassettes.

After I finish the last couple, I will no longer be taking requests or sharing the TOS box cd's and art. I have given links to almost 200 members, and I feel that is enough for me.

Yes they do look great!!! Sir Lew Grade was a genius for his time!

I guess in England the Government owns TV productions? and the stations? is that how it works over there? because if they do...I can see why your Television Productions have so many problems. I know Fox owns a studio there, but the rest I have no idea who owns them or if they are owned by your Government or what!

Scott

LOL! If the government owned TV productions, we'd make about two shows a year and they'd both be about how fantastic the government is. ;)

Government regulates. BBC is funded by public money (no commercials; we pay an annual licence fee which pays for everything). Other networks are funded by commercials just as in other countries.

At the time of The Prisoner, Who, etc, we had three channels - two BBC (BBC One started in 1936, BBC Two in 1964) and ITV. ITV is (was) Lew Grade's company. It's commercially funded. They were far more interested in selling abroad than the BBC, who at the time just wanted to make shows to put on to justify taking the licence fee. In those days, the glossy stuff tended to come from them.

Today, ITV makes a load of cheap tat.

The film outside, video inside scenario divides a lot of people. Personally I like it - probably because I grew up with it. It came about because video cameras were great for studio work but the recorders in use at the time were too cumbersome for location shoots - and portable models were unreliable and or prohibitively expensive... so studio stuff went down on videotape, and location stuff went down on film - frequently 16mm. This just became "the way it was done" and it continued to be that way for decades after the problems that caused it went away. Some British productions used this technique as late as 2001.

Some productions were shot entirely on film and finished on film; that is to say that the completed master is film as well.

Oftentimes, a show is shot on film but edited and graded on videotape (often with Crapola Inc. vision mixer video effects; the staple of old-skool Who) again for budgetary reasons; so decades later what you have is boxes and boxes of reels of film containing random shots and scenes and the finished product only on crappy quality (frequently quad or 1 inch) tape...

Old Lew Grade had the right idea - but 35mm film was only viable for ultra-budget programmes produced with the international market in mind. 35mm production in the States was a lot more common, and still is to a certain extent although the inevitable move to HD video has signed 35mm's death sentence in recent years. In the UK, we got 16mm, super 16 on special occasions... almost never 35mm unless the producers were moonlighting American networks. ;)

I really love 16mm film, personally. Shot well, it's gorgeous - and it's cheap. Alas, that's dying as well, now, thanks to cheap and spotlessly perfect, flat, and bland HD video.

There was a good reason for most things at the time. All seems ludicrous today, but it all made sense in the seventies. (So I am told!)

Apologies for the off-topic-ness but this is all very interesting stuff and is at least vaguely related to Trek... so hopefully you'll forgive me. :D

I was told by a young'un, that you know you are getting http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/old.gif, when they call your music "Classic". This was back in the mid 90's when my radio at work played CLASSIC ROCK AND ROLL, HITS OF THE 60'S AND 70'S. I love Pink Floyd!

As for soundtracks, I have almost 800 CDs. Plus more on LP and cassettes.

LOL

I always loved the fresh meat we got (just out of the Academy) all Gung-ho and all and they would always stick them on Watch One (my shift o-dark-thirty to sunup, don't get me wrong I loved that shift, we had one Sergeant and one Lt. on duty-he (the Lt.) spent his time back at HQ-all the higher ups where gone :)) and I had a tape player with me (gets damn lonely out in the middle of third and nowhere) and about 0300 the calls would start to die out,(at lest on Sunday to Thursday) I'd turn that thing on and low and behold the little turd (JAFO-Just Another Fracking Observer), NNDS (No Name Dumb Sh*t), BKWB (Blue Knight Want-a-Be (if someone asks who the Blue Knight is I'll brain-them!) to name a few acronyms we called them) would make the same comment!..."So you listen to Classic or oldie's music!!" or "How old are you?" the best one was "Are we going to listen to that "Dinosaur" music all night?" my response was something along these lines...."No you are not! I'm going to listen to music, your going to get out and walk back to the station! turn in your badge, gun and ID...because your done." The look on their faces was priceless!!! (in reality we had to have more then that to let someone go, but not that much more hehehehe) I loved being a T.O. (Training Officer- two strips up) we could pass or fail someone for farting in the wrong direction and the higher ups would let them go :) Standard Probationary rules (at that time) where 60 days! if you survived past that, you where here to stay.

I never got into heavy rock or psychedelic music! it always made me to jittery!! (bad memory's of rock concert's from the late 70's) Hell I can't even go into a bar anymore!! I'm always looking for the butt head thats going to start trouble, so I can't relax...that and I can't drink anymore...no big loss.

Most of what I have is LP, cassettes, 8-track & CD's number about 500 altogether, I've lost a few to my ex-wife, but better she get them, then living with her. :)

Scott

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After I finish the last couple, I will no longer be taking requests or sharing the TOS box cd's and art. I have given links to almost 200 members, and I feel that is enough for me.

I'd say so!!! all 200 hundred owe you a "GIANT HUG" Amanda (and our nameless benefactor :) you know who you are!) Thank You for all that you have done!!! Take a Bow Amanda!!!! you deserve it and more.

Scott

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LOL! If the government owned TV productions, we'd make about two shows a year and they'd both be about how fantastic the government is. ;)

Government regulates. BBC is funded by public money (no commercials; we pay an annual licence fee which pays for everything). Other networks are funded by commercials just as in other countries.

At the time of The Prisoner, Who, etc, we had three channels - two BBC (BBC One started in 1936, BBC Two in 1964) and ITV. ITV is (was) Lew Grade's company. It's commercially funded. They were far more interested in selling abroad than the BBC, who at the time just wanted to make shows to put on to justify taking the licence fee. In those days, the glossy stuff tended to come from them.

Today, ITV makes a load of cheap tat.

The film outside, video inside scenario divides a lot of people. Personally I like it - probably because I grew up with it. It came about because video cameras were great for studio work but the recorders in use at the time were too cumbersome for location shoots - and portable models were unreliable and or prohibitively expensive... so studio stuff went down on videotape, and location stuff went down on film - frequently 16mm. This just became "the way it was done" and it continued to be that way for decades after the problems that caused it went away. Some British productions used this technique as late as 2001.

Some productions were shot entirely on film and finished on film; that is to say that the completed master is film as well.

Oftentimes, a show is shot on film but edited and graded on videotape (often with Crapola Inc. vision mixer video effects; the staple of old-skool Who) again for budgetary reasons; so decades later what you have is boxes and boxes of reels of film containing random shots and scenes and the finished product only on crappy quality (frequently quad or 1 inch) tape...

Old Lew Grade had the right idea - but 35mm film was only viable for ultra-budget programmes produced with the international market in mind. 35mm production in the States was a lot more common, and still is to a certain extent although the inevitable move to HD video has signed 35mm's death sentence in recent years. In the UK, we got 16mm, super 16 on special occasions... almost never 35mm unless the producers were moonlighting American networks. ;)

I really love 16mm film, personally. Shot well, it's gorgeous - and it's cheap. Alas, that's dying as well, now, thanks to cheap and spotlessly perfect, flat, and bland HD video.

There was a good reason for most things at the time. All seems ludicrous today, but it all made sense in the seventies. (So I am told!)

Apologies for the off-topic-ness but this is all very interesting stuff and is at least vaguely related to Trek... so hopefully you'll forgive me. :D

Your forgiven!! Being from the US I have no idea how it works there! thank you for the education!!

We have something similar it's called PBS (Public Broadcasting Service) its paid for by tax payer money, but still gushes how wonderful the Government is ;) you guys got that part right! now we just need to get our Government out of it.

I don't think there is a TV show on the air that uses 35mm film anymore, at lest here, their all shot in HD video, even most major motion pictures are still shot using 35mm, at lest until 2015 the studio's want to go to digital-which is far cheaper ($150.00 Dollars per copy for digital, compared to $1,500 for each 35mm copy plus shipping in heavy metal case's) until "Avatar" came along! that changed everything. So we shall see what happens.

As for 16mm I love it to...used it in high school along with 8mm, super 8mm then video 1/2 inch reel to reel (yep I'm that old), film schools used to use 16mm, but I believe they have all gone to video! (could be wrong) but in the end video is flat as you say...no life in it! give me the smell of film emulsion anytime over no nothing from video.

Scott

Amanda, thanks, it's working.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/spocksmiley.gif

Scott, I still got some 8mm TOS. I had the cranking, holding in light viewers, took the film out, spliced them together, and watched TOS on the wall. I even took some waxed paper and made the View Screen on my model Bridge work, by projecting the 8mm TOS scenes from the back (outside the model), and pretended I was on the Bridge in Space. Well for a teen, it was fun.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/017.gifWho is the Blue Knight?http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/smack-1.gif

I appreciate the thanks guys, but I did it more for me than anything. Felt nice to do. I figure now, others have it, and also it is on several sites now, so is easy enough to find.

Well, that's just another THEORY!! :) I just love both scientists and religious zealots alike, that come up with all sorts of "doomsayer" theories, basically just trying to get people listen to them, or get their name in the papers! I remember, back in the 70's, one scientist had declared to one of the British press that it was a "fact" that our galaxy, the Milky Way, was heading for a doomsday, because the galaxy Andromeda was going to collide with the Milky Way, and totally destroy it! This is a FACT, but it won't happen for another 5 billion years!!!! :) By that time, we'll all be living in another galaxy, far, far away! Hehehehe.
I had to laugh this morning at the news: apparently China wants to build a moonbase, and NASA told them that they have to find a way to avoid deadly outer space radiation! This is EXACTLY what I've been saying for decades now! :) Without our atmosphere, and the "Van Allen" belts that surround the Earth, we would be fried meat in a nanosecond! That's a FACT! It just boggles the mind! Hehehehe :)

William

Errr, no. It's just that current means of protection don't last long enough for something like a Moon base as radiation damages it over time eventually making it useless and constant fixes would cost a lot of money and resources.

Though we probably won't come even close to a Moon base any time soon as all the money for space program is being wasted on wars. So all talk about it is pretty much empty talk. :(

Yes, Scotty, I know that you were joking, so was I! :)

I have transferred almost all of my CDs to harddrive only, and I will be starting this year to doing that with all my vids! I have over 1200 scores on various drives, and backedup as well! Over 600 gigs for my soundtracks alone, another 225 gigs for my music like Jazz, rock and roll and classical. I have over 1,000 movies and tv shows, etc. so I expect to have to get about 10 TB of harddrives to store those, and then I will have to back them up on another 10!!! :)

I just got a CD player in my car that has a USB slot in it, and I take my 8 gig memory stick and throw music on it. I used to get into trouble in the past, when I was driving around LA freeway mess, listening to Back to the Future 2, when Doc and Marty were chasing Biff, and the music got really intense, so I would drive in and out of lanes, trying to get somewhere FAST! Hehehehe. Missed getting tickets by THAT much! :)

AND, BTW, if anyone is interested, the radiation in the dead of space (say, between the Earth and the moon) is 6,000 rems per hour! Humans can only stand 2,000 rems for the entire lifetime!!! You would need at the VERY least 3 inches of plate lead to protect you, that would be a very heavy moon-suit to wear, just to walk on the surface of that airless, dead planetoid! Hehehehe And the Apollo crew only had that thin gold foil to protect them in the dead of space, and walking around on the moon, how do you suppose that they did that?

It boggles the mind!

William

As long as they wear lead underwear, it is OK.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/thumbup.gif

Yes, Scotty, I know that you were joking, so was I! :)

I have transferred almost all of my CDs to harddrive only, and I will be starting this year to doing that with all my vids! I have over 1200 scores on various drives, and backedup as well! Over 600 gigs for my soundtracks alone, another 225 gigs for my music like Jazz, rock and roll and classical. I have over 1,000 movies and tv shows, etc. so I expect to have to get about 10 TB of harddrives to store those, and then I will have to back them up on another 10!!! :)

I just got a CD player in my car that has a USB slot in it, and I take my 8 gig memory stick and throw music on it. I used to get into trouble in the past, when I was driving around LA freeway mess, listening to Back to the Future 2, when Doc and Marty were chasing Biff, and the music got really intense, so I would drive in and out of lanes, trying to get somewhere FAST! Hehehehe. Missed getting tickets by THAT much! :)

AND, BTW, if anyone is interested, the radiation in the dead of space (say, between the Earth and the moon) is 6,000 rems per hour! Humans can only stand 2,000 rems for the entire lifetime!!! You would need at the VERY least 3 inches of plate lead to protect you, that would be a very heavy moon-suit to wear, just to walk on the surface of that airless, dead planetoid! Hehehehe And the Apollo crew only had that thin gold foil to protect them in the dead of space, and walking around on the moon, how do you suppose that they did that?

It boggles the mind!

William

William your the first person I have known that has their own server farm!! :) Man it's not hard to get into trouble on L.A. freeways!! you should get the Silver Star for "Surviving Rush Hour Traffic" & "Not Wanting To Kill the Other Driver" I got stuck in traffic a few times (picked the wrong time to drive to L.A.) going to see my Uncle & Disney Land (took my sons when they were kids)....what a CF that was, next time I planed my timing better.

As for the Apollo Astronauts and the Van Allen Belt,The thought that radiation would kill the astronauts on their way to the moon rests on a misunderstanding of radiation in space. It is true that the sun can release intense bursts of radiation, but not all radiation is harmful. Radiation from the sun can be measured in terms of solar particle energies. These range in intensity. The low energy particles, which measure in the thousands of electron volts, can easily be stopped by a space-craft's hull or a space suit. At the other end of the scale, the very high energy particles (over 1000 million electron volts) can pass right through a space-craft and the people on board without actually interacting with their body cells. The most dangerous particle energy level sits somewhere in the middle (in the millions of electron volts). During a solar flare, particles at all energy levels are produced and this can be very dangerous for astronauts. Fortunately, solar flares do not occur everyday and they do not send particles out in all directions.

An understanding of radiation in space shows us that an astronaut on a trip to the moon will not necessarily be exposed to dangerous levels of radiation. Of course, this is not to say that there are no risks. A solar flare in the wrong direction could do serious harm to an astronaut. But such flares are not everyday occurrences. Furthermore, being exposed to a high dose of radiation does not guarantee illness, cancer, or death. It merely raises the probability. It is possible for an astronaut to live a long healthy life after being exposed to radiation levels produced during a solar flare.

For the Apollo missions specifically:

1: The trajectory of the spacecraft was not a straight line between the earth and the moon. It was arced. They did this in order to avoid the densest area of radiation in the van Allen belts.

2: At the speed the capsule was traveling, the crew spent far less time inside the belts than the amount of time needed to give them a lethal dose.

3: There are different types of radiation, wave and particle. Wave radiation requires the most shielding, sometimes very thick shielding depending on the wavelength (for example, UV radiation is wave radiation, but can be blocked by a thin sheet of plastic like sunglasses, whereas gamma radiation requires several inches of lead). Particle radiation, in comparison, is much easier to shield against. Alpha particles can't even penetrate the top layer of dead skin cells on the human body. Proton and Beta particles can both be shielded against using a centimeter or so High Density Polyethylene (HDPE). Plastic.

4: The Van Allen belts consist primarily of Proton Particle radiation, which, as noted above, can be effectively shielded against using HDPE plastic.

5: The Command Module was built using materials that could shield particle radiation

Summary: The mission was planned to go through the weakest, least dense section of radiation, in the shortest amount of time, with shielding built into the module. NASA spent a lot of time and money mitigating the problems presented by the radiation belts. The money was well spent.

And that Ladies and Gentlemen is how we did that!

To live on the moon is another problem, exposed to direct solar radiation 24/7 along with solar flares! as I see it the only way to survive on the moon would be to live under ground, that would provide good radiation protection! but the amount of supplies needed would be tremendous!! to say the lest, water, air, food and reliable power source...more then we can transport today. NASA has said there appears to be water found on the moon, that brings up several questions...1: what quantities? Unknown 2: Is the water contaminated (i.e. radiated)? Unknown 3: Can we even extract it? Not at this time. So it looks like it's going to take Billions if not Trillions of dollars to find out and use it if we can.

As for the War causing NASA to stop man space flight! NOPE ComicsJoe you must to to young to remember the Apollo Program was running when the war in Vietnam was going! so money being drawn off for the war in Afghanistan is wrong! I would suggest you read the Federal Budget and see for your self. We currently have a Commander-In Chief that has no vision for NASA, and decided that the money NASA was spending on the Shuttle Program could be sent to other Government Programs i.e. Welfare, Social Programs anything other then NASA. Now we have to hitch hike with the Russians to get any of our Astronauts to the ISS...Pathetic!!

Scott

I appreciate the thanks guys, but I did it more for me than anything. Felt nice to do. I figure now, others have it, and also it is on several sites now, so is easy enough to find.

I'm only a newby (newbie???) and not even close to knowing where to find the "other sites." Can somebody have mercy on a Markie-Come-Lately? I've been too busy listening to 1920s jazz the last week ...

Thanks for your consideration (as I used to say in all those job applications ... Happy New Year (or as I say to the wife, Happy You Near)!


Mark
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A month or so I got an email notice from my hosting service (no spceifics mentioned in this note because I don't want to trip any automated "tripwires") saying that ONE of my postings contained copyrighted material. The email warning listed maybe thirty or more files (listed by their file addresses, for example "hostingservice.com.randomlettersandnumbersthatmake afile." So I copied-and-pasted each file address into a browser (because I was curious). ONE of those thirty or more files was indeed mine that I had been sharing. I take this to mean that the file hosting service waited until they had twenty or thirty files that had been complained about and then sent this same email to all the uploaders of those twenty or thirty files?


Again without being specific, my guess was that the rights to this material are owned by the same big conglomerate. The files weren't all music or text and weren;t all about the same topic, or even properties all owned by that particular conglomerate (that I know of). My particular file was a compilation from several sources.

I went to my hosting service and on signing in got a warning notice referring to the file. What I did then was simply delete the file from the hosting service. Since then I have had NO other occurrences or complaints. The next time I signed in to my hosting service, all was fine as it had been before.

Maybe I didn't have any more problems because I immediately deleted the files from the hoster (and from the blog post that was "complained" about).

I've continued with no problems on my hosting service (up- or downloading) and haven't gotten any complaints saying they couldn;t get to any other files I've put up to share.

I'm just sharing this as a kind of "what happened to me" story.

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I have now finally obtained the scans of Fred Steiner's article "The Music for Star Trek. Scoring a Television Show in the Sixties". This 24-page essay is a historical analysis of the scoring and tracking for the original series. It appeared in the book "Wonderful Inventions: Motion Pictures, Broadcasting, and Recorded Sound at the Library of Congress", ed. by Iris Newsom and was published by the Library of Congress, Washington, in 1985. (A shorter version of this article was published two years earlier in "The Quarterly Journal of the Library of Congress", under the title "Keeping Score of the Scores. Music For Star Trek", page 4-15).

This may be a nice teaser for the upcoming TOS CD box set, and, together with Jeff Bond's book "The Music of Star Trek" and the new booklet from the box set, may answer many questions about the scoring of Star Trek.

Musicforstartrek.rar download - 2shared (http://www.2shared.com/file/wHIhG2PN/Musicforstartrek.html)



How can I read the file without downloading the "livid.exe" file? Did I miss a button?
Thanks

Mark
Mark's Super Blog (http://markssuperblog.blogspot.com/)
Spock’s Record Round-Up (http://spocksrecordround-up.blogspot.com/)

Just go to the bottom download button. DON"T download livid!

@msuperfan:

Sorry, but I had to cut somewhere. I do hate leaving a man behind though. Check messages for my condolence card.

I've been sort of lazy today, and I thought that I would take a look at the different FX attempts at the TOS episode "Doomsday Machine". I saw one clip of the remastered version from the studio, and one fan produced version, where the Constellation was going into the machine, and it was so large, or the Doomsday machine was so small, that the nacelles almost touched both side of the machine's "mall"! (mouth).
But, by far, the best that I had seen on Youtube was this:

Star Trek: "The Doomsday Machine" (Part 1 of 8) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9onOBZBR_k)

This is from a man named Scott Gamman, and he just had done fantastic work!

Check it out!

William

William, do I have to? I mean, why tamper with THE ORIGINAL SERIES, again, they got it right the first time....except the AMT model.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/roflao.gif

Just go to the bottom download button. DON"T download livid!


Thanks for that helpful tip!

Well, anything can always stand a little improvement, even the original series. I think this Scott Gamman did an incredible job, and I really LOVE the design of his planet killer! I really like the constellation on the remastered, done by Doug Drexler, but just about everything else that Scott did was truely above the pale!

William

I've been sort of lazy today, and I thought that I would take a look at the different FX attempts at the TOS episode "Doomsday Machine". I saw one clip of the remastered version from the studio, and one fan produced version, where the Constellation was going into the machine, and it was so large, or the Doomsday machine was so small, that the nacelles almost touched both side of the machine's "mall"! (mouth).
But, by far, the best that I had seen on Youtube was this:

Star Trek: "The Doomsday Machine" (Part 1 of 8) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9onOBZBR_k)

This is from a man named Scott Gamman, and he just had done fantastic work!

Check it out!

William

CBS should have hired Scott Gamman to redo that episode, Scott did a terrific job so far!!!

Thanks William for the link.

Scott

I always thought white grey looked more realistic than the grey-grey used for the CBS "restoration"

[As Spock would say:] The selectively assigned transmission from she who shares the cognomen of my immediate matriarchal ancestor has provided this one with much immediate and future gratification.
[translation:] THANKS ever so much!
Mark
Mark's Super Blog (http://markssuperblog.blogspot.com/)
Spock’s Record Round-Up (http://spocksrecordround-up.blogspot.com/)

William, you talked me into watching it. Having not seen the remastered, I can't compare, but, I like some of the reimagined shots. This is the second fan made FX reinventing the original, and I like some of the older shot better than this video. More of angles and perceptions of the shots. DON'T ask me about the older fan FX clips, I don't remember were I got them from, or who did them, I just wanted to tease y'all.

Amanda, thanks, it's working.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/spocksmiley.gif

Scott, I still got some 8mm TOS. I had the cranking, holding in light viewers, took the film out, spliced them together, and watched TOS on the wall. I even took some waxed paper and made the View Screen on my model Bridge work, by projecting the 8mm TOS scenes from the back (outside the model), and pretended I was on the Bridge in Space. Well for a teen, it was fun.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/017.gifWho is the Blue Knight?http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/smack-1.gif


8mm TOS? Hey, that's real cool, isn't it? I know what I'm speaking about, I've got 4 episodes on 8mm myself, imported from th U.K. to my country (Germany) in the early 80ies, before the VHS release! And they were VERY expensive for me back then (I was about 20 years old), had to earn some money before I was able to buy them! I had to choose which episodes and finally got "Shore Leave", "Tomorrow Is Yesterday", "Galileo Seven", and "Catspaw". (I still have them somewhere at my parents home, including the projector, which still works - but haven't played them for a long time.)

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Thanks for that helpful tip!

Was that statement meant to be sarcastic, or was the tip from AZSneed really helpful?

In other words: were you able to finally download the Fred Steiner article I uploaded before? I know of some people who are unable to handle 2shared uploads, due to some heavy adware popups, so you may need some kind of blocker!

I you still have trouble with it, let me know, and I will try to upload the article elsewhere!

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I'm confused...and you can http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/46.gif all you want. I don't see any clues in the list, and if there, why not list as such. We ARE http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/old.gif enough to know about bumpers, so it should be listed as such. Do the booklets give more info on the tracks to identify as such, stingers, bumpers and such?

The producers of this set have stated somewhere that there are no bumpers included. Bumpers were NOT part of the episodes themselves, were NEVER composed and/or recorded by the original production team, and therefore not part of the original 70 hour master tape collection which was the source of this release. The bumpers were produced later on, probably in the early 70ies, by some tv station, and added into the broadcast tape.

There are, however, some so called "stingers" on the set, which were produced in the original scoring sessions, partly for specific episodes, or as part of the library sessions. Some were used in the final soundtracks, other may have been left unused. If you read through the track list, you'll see that the term "stinger" was used two times: Season 2 Disc 3, track 5: "Stingers/Giant Apollo", and Season 2 Disc 5, track 29: "Stingers" (= Library Music).

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I have a TOS music question, theres a cue in the Tholian web episode which takes place in most of the space scenes, anyone know what that cue is called? It's first heard in the first Enterprise/Defiant exterior shot.

You probably are referring to the cue "Blackship tension", which was originally composed for "Mirror, Mirror" by Fred Steiner. You can find several versions of it on Season 2 Disc 3 (first in the scors itself, track 19, and then as part of the library music on that CD, track 41 and 42). This may also be a case of using music from an earlier season, which was not allowed according to union rules. "The Tholian Web" was a third season production, and to use the library cue "Blackship Tension" they normally would have had to record that cue again in the third season. They apparently used season 2 recordings.

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Well, we really need to get that last disc, just to get that alt version, and all of the home movies of Billy Blackburn!


William

I have the alternate pilot in several incarnations, including the BD version, and the quality is really stunning (as opposed to the crappy vhs version known from youtube!). I have also the ISO with the re-constructed version form the New Voyage producers mentioned elsewhere, which was done quite nicely a few years ago! (I also still have my VHS copy which was made available in the early 80ies!).

The Billy Blackburn home movies (all taped without audio, sadly) are also very interesting, and were already included in the earlier DVD release in the 90ies.

If there is interest, I could see if I'm able to share them somehow...

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You are correct! I noticed that all of that VS stuff is totally wrong, faster tempo, different key sometimes, and a pause in the music here and there where there was none in the original, almost like an afterthought, you know? Just going to have to get used to the originals all over again, but I must say that although they are a remake, I really like the arrangements on the "Planet X" versions, much better than the VS versions!

William

Well, that's the way the composers tend to handle their scores if they choose to give them the re-recording treatment. The tempi are oftentimes different, mostly slower, because they are not bound by the moving pictures for synchronisation, and it's their artistic choice to re-imagine their compositions, using bigger orchestras, slower tempi, different accents and so on. (Even Bernard Herrmann played his own Decca re-recording of his "Psycho" score waaay much slower than in his original scoring!) Sometimes it's just a matter of preference: some like it better, some not. Fred Steiner may even have forgotten the original tempi he used earlier (I don't think he re-watched the episodes before re-recording the music)!
Speaking of the "Label X" re-recordings, by Tony Bremner: they mostly are also slower ("Is There In Truth No Beauty?", for example). In this case, he even collaborated with George Duning, the composer himself, as far as the arrangement was concerned, so it may be even the composer himself who suggested a slower tempo!

All in all, I like all the Varese and Label X re-recordings, more or less, probably because they were all we had back in the 80ies, before GNP started the release of the original scores. It's somehow like hearing a Mozart symphony with a modern orchestra: the original presentation by the maestro would be the best, but that's not possible (except you finally are able to time-travel to the 1780ies and tape it!), so you stick with the re-creation of the music by the modern orchestras: some are good, others are different, may be to the worse, but all have something worthwhile to offer, in the true sense of IDIC! :)

Well, what are you waiting for, lad??? "Gett'r DONE" as Larry the cable guy would say, hehehehehe :)

The one thing I really like about Scott's TOS Enterprise is the fact that he didn't put all those patterns on the hull! Each section is smooth, and there are squares, but not like the remastered crap with that pattern, and not the botched up refurb job that Ed Miarecki did when he ruined the 11 footer! :(

Back in the early 70's, I got several TOS bridge kits when they came out, since I was SO disappointed that the kit was only 80% of the bridge, not all the way around. I got the blueprints of the bridge at a convention, and also took several photos of a large, 5 foot bridge that some fellow had built, that was fairly close to the blueprints, which were later shown to NOT be accurate! I not only built the small AMT kit, and made it 360 degrees around, but corrected the viewscreen, the elevator door, and the command section, where the captain's chair sat, looking a numerous photos that I could find at the conventions and wanted to make a completely accurate representation of the TOS bridge. I also added clear photos above each station, of space (slides that I bought at the Griffith Observator) and backlit them, using small xmas lights, and using optical fibers, I lit up the various sections of the different sections, and even lit up the lights on the captain's chair as well! (which was a complete BITCH, as I had to heat up the fibers, and bend them to fit, without cutting down the light power)
When it was finished, it was something that my young self could be proud to display. So, I mounted the whole model on a 12X12X12 inch wooden box, and ran all the lights down there, and also added 4 speakers on the 4 corners of the box, for different sound effects. I had an old 8 track, that was "quad" (remember those?) so I was able to have 4 different sounds in the 4 speakers. At one of the conventions here in LA, in the late 70's, I got a small corner of one of the tables my friend was selling stuff, and I put the model up there. People LOST their minds!!! I was SO pleased that people would realize the work that went into it!
In the mid-80's, I had to dismantle the box, which was falling apart from moving around and such, so I just place the model on a flat 12 inch board, and concealed the lights behind plastic panels that I had cut out to place behind each section (with the big box, they were just sitting there, and you could see all the wires, and fibers, so I just extended the box sides up with some thin wood to cover that.) And then I found out that Gene Roddenberry had actually seen the model back in the day, from my friend Edward, who worked with Majel, so I gave the model to Ed, to forward it over to Gene. Needless to say, it NEVER got to him (won't go into that now) very much like the Vader helmet that I tried to get to David Proust, never arrived!

Like I said before, with friends like these........ :)

William

I'm sure where ever else it was shown has already destroyed there copies or reused the tapes way before now, and the British Government has better things to do then ask every country on the planet to check their video vaults.

Scott

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Ah crap!! The Avengers Too!!! damn I loved that show...especially Emma Peel (Diana Rigg) got to love the BBC!

Thank God Terry Jones saved the master tapes!

What the hell is wrong with the BBC!! did they wipe the tapes to save money or what? I can't believe they did that!! what a bunch of knuckle heads...they should find the idiot or idiots and put there head's on the block.

Scott
Ah, well the Avengers can't be blamed on the BBC, that was ITC (Lou Grades company), and as far as I'm aware, the missing episodes are the Honour Blackman stuff, so rest assured scotty, you can still get you fix of that gorgous woman known as Diana Rigg/Emma Peel :).

Problem with the BBC is it's paid for by the peoplke, so they have to be accountable for every penny, and VT was exspensive back then :( Still no excuse though.

HEY!!! That's DAME Diana Rigg to you peasants! hehehehehe :)

William

Sorry guys, seem to have repeated what others have already said. Really not with it. New years day night, I started to feel unwell,m and have only just crawled out of bed today to get the kids to bed( as Mrs PCM has a night shift tonight, she's a neonatal intensive care nurse.) after this cock up, I think I'll crawl back into bed as I have just got william into bed and listening to a Sarah Jane Adventures CD.

sorry again

PCM

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HEY!!! That's DAME Diana Rigg to you peasants! hehehehehe :)

William

That she is William and most deserved.

WHAT Sarah Jane cd, and can you share?

Soundtrekker, I'm glad you survived the beginning of the New Year, and are back with us.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/spocksmiley.gif

William, it is a shame about your Bridge model, I would have loved to see at least some photos. I read that they are going to re-release the model, I think this year.

Sorry guys, seem to have repeated what others have already said. Really not with it. New years day night, I started to feel unwell,m and have only just crawled out of bed today to get the kids to bed( as Mrs PCM has a night shift tonight, she's a neonatal intensive care nurse.) after this cock up, I think I'll crawl back into bed as I have just got william into bed and listening to a Sarah Jane Adventures CD.




I do believe, people that he is talking about a totally different WILLIAM! Hey, PCM, you have to be really CLEAR about things with the people on this board, or they will get the impression that you and I are SHACKING UP!!! Hehehehehe :)

No, Scotty, don't even GO THERE! :)

William

Can I go there? I didn't think so.

I do believe, people that he is talking about a totally different WILLIAM! Hey, PCM, you have to be really CLEAR about things with the people on this board, or they will get the impression that you and I are SHACKING UP!!! Hehehehehe :)

No, Scotty, don't even GO THERE! :)

William

Ahh crap!! you beat me to it!!!....(walking off head down)..."darn i never get to say anything funny"

Welcome Back Soundtrekker! hope you had a wonderful Holiday :)

Scott

Sure.....You can go there....AZSneed.........















































If you don't mind getting SMACKED! Hehehehehehe


:)

William

Sorry guys, seem to have repeated what others have already said. Really not with it. New years day night, I started to feel unwell,m and have only just crawled out of bed today to get the kids to bed( as Mrs PCM has a night shift tonight, she's a neonatal intensive care nurse.) after this cock up, I think I'll crawl back into bed as I have just got william into bed and listening to a Sarah Jane Adventures CD.

sorry again

PCM

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That she is William and most deserved.

Your fine my friend!! take care of yourself! and get some rest.

Scott

Oh, YEAH! I totally forgot (Hey, I'm OLD, okay???) Diana Rigg was voted #1 of all the Bond girls, in a survey of over 10,000 Bond fans, and she was head and shoulders #1 ahead of Pussy Galore, or Miss Goodthighs, or even Miss Moneypenny! AND... I completely agree with that. Too bad that her daughter looks nothing like her. :( If I could go back in time, I would go back to the late 60's or early 70's and SMACK George Lazenby right across the head for totally screwing up what could have been as his saving grace, as she was crazy about him, but he was too busy chasing all the girls on the set! AND, as a matter of fact, you can see in the film, since they filmed it backwards, and all the scenes where they are happy together were filmed first, and when she was nasty to him, at the beginning of the film, those were filmed last, so you can see that she was NOT acting, she really did hate him! I think that was the main reason that he was not asked to come back for another film, plus they got Sean back for Diamonds are Forever, and then Cubby finally got his way, and hired Roger Moore, whom he wanted from the beginning! :)

Just a little Bond trivia, folks.

William

Bond, Jeff Bond..... oops! Wrong Bond! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/evillaugh.gif

My favorite Bond is Roger Moore, and my first Bond on the big screen was Moonraker. I really went to see the Space Shuttle, but, don't tell Bond I said that.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/devil.gif


William, go ahead and http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/smack-1.gif, I needed it.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/tears8.gif NOT SO HARD!

Anyone see this? Engineer Petitions White House for Real-Life Starship Enterprise - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/engineer-petitions-white-house-real-life-starship-enterprise-125037181.html;_ylt=AtorjL4gL_wsy3PBPxvfRQptzwcF;_ ylu=X3oDMTVxaGFsNDhnBGNjb2RlA2dtcHRvcDEwMDBwb29sd2 lraXVwcmVzdARtaXQDQXJ0aWNsZSBNaXhlZCBMaXN0IE5ld3Mg Zm9yIFlvdSB3aXRoIE1vcmUgTGluawRwa2cDM2I5NGQwZGUtMT Y1OS0zNjMwLTlkMWItMzkwODdlZTQ5Y2NlBHBvcwMxBHNlYwNu ZXdzX2Zvcl95b3UEdmVyA2FhZmVlOTAxLTU2NmUtMTFlMi1hYz NmLTE2ZjY4NzA4YmNkMg--;_ylg=X3oDMTM0cTc5NnNrBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRw c3RhaWQDY2MwMjBkYjMtOTRkYy0zMGRhLThjZjMtMzgyYmVlZj M0NDAzBHBzdGNhdANwb2xpdGljc3xjb25ncmVzcwRwdANzdG9y eXBhZ2U-;_ylv=3)

Make it so!http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/DtoE.gif






Also, to expand on William's TOS comment.....

It is a nice thought but America can not afford this, at least not have the Government do it. If anything it should be a privately funded venture. The US Government is already in enough financial trouble as it is.

The Government ain't in trouble, WE are. They will tax, cut spending on some stuff, and pump more money on saving the World. I thought WE were PART of the World, not in charge, as Washington thinks....sorry, they don't think, THAT is the problem. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/thunhappy.gif

Also, to expand on William's TOS comment.....

EXACTLY!!! Hehehehe:)

There are SO many things in the world today, that they didn't have in the "23rd century"! I have to chuckle out loud, because back in the 60's when TOS was on the air, a group of three doctor's had tried to sue the studio and Gene Roddenberry, because they claimed that THEY had invented the diagnostic bed, and they were going to market and patent it!!! SO..... Where the HELL is it??? :)
I don't know what happened to the lawsuit, I remember reading about it, but since they didn't have any patent, must be that they didn't have any BLUEPRINTS or designs to back up their claim, and it was thrown out of court, by a judge who happened to LIKE Star Trek, hehehehehe:)

BTW, AZSneed, what kind of word is "spellign"??? (See the post directly above, and look at the reason for editing! :) )

William

Ah, well the Avengers can't be blamed on the BBC, that was ITC (Lou Grades company), and as far as I'm aware, the missing episodes are the Honour Blackman stuff, so rest assured scotty, you can still get you fix of that gorgous woman known as Diana Rigg/Emma Peel :).


As far as i am aware is that The avengers was made by ABC tv, a company that is not part of the itc cannon

Also as far as i am aware, the Honor Blackman episodes existed in "Negative" format and new masters had to be struck befor Channel 4 would show them (this is what i seem to remember seeing at the time of their discovery) or is "negative" the new word for "filmed off tv"

I think that was the main reason that he was not asked to come back for another film, plus they got Sean back for Diamonds are Forever, and then Cubby finally got his way, and hired Roger Moore, whom he wanted from the beginning! :)

Just a little Bond trivia, folks.

William

The official word has always been that they DID ask Lazenby to come back. He refused. He admits to getting bad advice, but at the time he felt the Bond films were on the way out and he felt the one film was enough to propel him to stardom. The last thing EON wanted was to recast yet again. Also, Broccoli wanted David Niven and Cary Grant initially to play Bond. At least, according to all of the history I've read on the films.

You are totally correct, Fleming actually gave David Niven a copy of his first draft of the first book "Casino Royale", with the actor in mind to portray Bond on screen, but that was back in 1951, when Ian Fleming wrote the first novel! AND, Ian Fleming had said, thru his cousin (Hammer film star Christopher Lee) that David Niven was the physical inspiration for the literal discription of Bond! Although both actors were CONSIDERED, no official approach or offer was ever given to David Niven or Cary Grant! Broccoli only wanted Roger Moore, who was very big at the time, doing the "Saint" TV show, and Broccoli only thought of Sean as a second (or third or fourth) choice!

Whatever "official" story that Lazenby tells, it conflicts with what Diana Rigg and Barbara Broccoli relate! So, who are you going to trust? Hehehehe

With all of the stories that have come down the pike from William Shatner's direction, I would have hoped that you learned that you have to take everything from the Hollywood set with a giant grain of salt!! HEHEHEHHEHEHE :)

William

Right, they didn't offer these actors the parts, but they were considered. Cary Grant, I believe, was nixed ahead of time because they knew he'd never do more than one film. Cubby's wife seemed to suggest Sean Connery.

Well, I don't generally 100% believe what anyone says about a movie 40 years after the fact. The official Bond books from the early 90's, approved by Cubby Brocolli (with his interviews included), state George made his own decision and they were very disappointed. I don't think Broccoli had anything to gain by taking the "weaker" position, so it always sounded plausible. With that in mind, if I'm gonna believe anyone, I'll take the guy in charge at the time over his daughter (who was 9 when it happened) or an actress with an axe to grind. No offense your way at all, I'm just considering the source. Everyone loved and trusted Cubby - he was apparently a top class person. I haven't heard the same reverence toward Barbara and Michael Wilson, honestly. Diana Rigg's stories of that film have changed over time also.

As far as Trek stuff, you have a good point and I agree: I don't trust ANYONE at this point. Especially crabby, unemployable actors after 45 years of embellishing and outright fabricating stories. Take Nichelle Nichols and Martin Luther King, Jr.; the story gets more elaborate with each telling. It started with her thinking about leaving the show and wondering "what would Dr King do?" and, over the decades, morphed into "he came backstage, said he was a Trekkie and begged me to stay." What's next, she bared his love child and had Star Trek pillow talk? They've all got their own agendas.

Best thing to do is enjoy the films and shows and take all the behind the scenes stuff with a grain of salt. Or seven.

SPELLIGN? That was to emphasize that I DID misspell some words and then fixed it. Just like on the WESTWORLD one sheet, where it said, Where nothing can go worng! A little movie humor, and you noticed.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/thumbup.gif

Oh, yes, I did notice, and I thought that was GREAT!!! :)

That was primarily why I wanted to point it out!

You, sir, are a CLASS act, :)

William

Anyone see this? Engineer Petitions White House for Real-Life Starship Enterprise - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/engineer-petitions-white-house-real-life-starship-enterprise-125037181.html;_ylt=AtorjL4gL_wsy3PBPxvfRQptzwcF;_ ylu=X3oDMTVxaGFsNDhnBGNjb2RlA2dtcHRvcDEwMDBwb29sd2 lraXVwcmVzdARtaXQDQXJ0aWNsZSBNaXhlZCBMaXN0IE5ld3Mg Zm9yIFlvdSB3aXRoIE1vcmUgTGluawRwa2cDM2I5NGQwZGUtMT Y1OS0zNjMwLTlkMWItMzkwODdlZTQ5Y2NlBHBvcwMxBHNlYwNu ZXdzX2Zvcl95b3UEdmVyA2FhZmVlOTAxLTU2NmUtMTFlMi1hYz NmLTE2ZjY4NzA4YmNkMg--;_ylg=X3oDMTM0cTc5NnNrBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRw c3RhaWQDY2MwMjBkYjMtOTRkYy0zMGRhLThjZjMtMzgyYmVlZj M0NDAzBHBzdGNhdANwb2xpdGljc3xjb25ncmVzcwRwdANzdG9y eXBhZ2U-;_ylv=3)

Make it so!http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/DtoE.gif

On a side note, there were actual plans once to build a full scale replica of the TOS movie Enterprise:
NOW IT CAN BE TOLD: THE (http://www.thegoddardgroup.com/blog/index.php/now-it-can-be-told-the-star-trek-attraction-that-almost-came-to-life-in-1992/)

Well, until someone actually invents grav-plates, that's just not going to happen! The only designs that I saw that would work in our world, with the current technology, was a giant tube in space, revolving to create gravity, with cities and towns on the inside, and several layers of hardened steel, (or something just as hard) to keep the people safe from meteor strikes! It had manuvering jets, to control pitch and yaw, and it had, at both ends of the tube, major engines to shoot it off into deep space. However, to solve the problems of the water and air recycle, it would be pretty tough, with today's limited resources.

Hehehehee, I just read that article, and I thought that was going to be like the other one, where they wanted to launch it into space. Lucky for them that they decided not to build the attraction as a large Enterprise, cause now, they would have to rip it all down. What a waste of money, more so than they already wasted on that attraction. I have a hard time believing that the Experience didn't draw crowds and make money. Just unbelievable!

William

To us Star TrekTM means a lot, to the others, it is a fad. When a movie or series is showing, they think "Let go buy some souvenirs or go to the Experience."

I never got to go to the Experience, I always wanted to. Either no money or no time. Now I'm just happy to read the stories here, better than a book.

I got there twice and it was so much fun. It was like walking Into Star Trek. Well, latter day Trek anyway, but it was extremely cool. I haven't had any reason to go to Vegas since it closed.

WHAT Sarah Jane cd, and can you share?

We bought him the box set of audios, and if people want them then I'll rip them and up them. the titles list are:

Judgement Day

Children of Steel

Wraith World

Deadly Download

The Shadow People

The White Wolf

The Ghost House

The Time Capsule

The Thirteenth Stone

Glittering Storm.

Is there any interest?

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I do believe, people that he is talking about a totally different WILLIAM! Hey, PCM, you have to be really CLEAR about things with the people on this board, or they will get the impression that you and I are SHACKING UP!!! Hehehehehe :)

No, Scotty, don't even GO THERE! :)

William

Yeah, sorry William, was not really with it when I posted that though, but you did enjoy the Sarah Jane CD though didn't you ;) tee hee

Well, we really need to get that last disc, just to get that alt version, and all of the home movies of Billy Blackburn!

William

Regarding, again, the unaired, alternative version of "Where No Man Has Gone Before" and other video treasures: I've been told by sanico, and rightly so, that video rips are not allowed to be posted here - it would open the gate for uncontrolled mayhem here, and we have to draw a line as to what people may share on this board! Now, if anybody wants to... well, discuss this with me, privately, he/she may p.m. me!

Discuss it privately....I know this bar on K-7.....

Discuss it privately....I know this bar on K-7.....

No problem... but only if the Klingons aren't there!!! There's a Klingon named Koloth, who uses the station for shore leave, and who has the impudence to resemble me. I don't like him.

Tribbles, however, I don't mind, as long as I don't have to remove them! :)

ROLL TIDE! WE ARE #1, AGAIN!

Well, 640 posts?? That is good news, congrats, AZSneed! :)

William

Thank!

642 now. We are doing some talking, and it is so enjoyable!

No problem... but only if the Klingons aren't there!!! There's a Klingon named Koloth, who uses the station for shore leave, and who has the impudence to resemble me. I don't like him.

Tribbles, however, I don't mind, as long as I don't have to remove them! :)

Aye! thats my job...beaming them where they'll be no tribble at all! :)

Scott

Tribbles, the other dark meat, taste like grain fed beef.

You do know that William (Shatner) kept some Tribbles, to keep himself in rugs.

Tribbles, the other dark meat, taste like grain fed beef.

You do know that William (Shatner) kept some Tribbles, to keep himself in rugs.

Thats a lot of tribbles laddie!! :)

I'd recommend Barbecuing the little buggers with a little scotch! hmmm hmmm good......another tribble on the Barbie! Who wants one??

Scott

However, Shatner has said:

NO! I do NOT wear a 'Toup..' never have, and NEVER will!!!"

And, you can take that to the bank, hehehehehehe:)

William

However, Shatner has said:

NO! I do NOT wear a 'Toup..' never have, and NEVER will!!!"

And, you can take that to the bank, hehehehehehe:)

William

Anyone have change for a penny!! lol

Scott

Perhaps he has been wearing the "hell-tou-pay?"

Regarding the alternative version of "Where No Man Has Gone Before" I was fortunate enough to find a 16mm film copy of it. I have no idea though why it even exists in that format.

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Is the 15 CD set of original Trek music available for download yet? There's no way I can afford to spend over $200. I'd even be thankful to get it without the liner notes (booklets).

Well, one way or the other, there will be HELL to pay, hehehehehehe

Funny thing, I took the copy of "Where no man..." and watched the whole thing, without fast forwarding, or getting distracted by wife or kiddies, and I didn't see any additionals at all, everything, every scene, every line, just as I remembered, but then again, I'm old, so........:)


William

I do NOT wear a 'Toup..' never have, and NEVER will!!!"

"...I can never forgive them for the death of my boy."

Oh, wait, no... that was Klingons...

William, I know that the scene I saw on Youtube, took place during the teaser, before the main theme, after that, I don't know. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/old.gif

Well, one way or the other, there will be HELL to pay, hehehehehehe

Funny thing, I took the copy of "Where no man..." and watched the whole thing, without fast forwarding, or getting distracted by wife or kiddies, and I didn't see any additionals at all, everything, every scene, every line, just as I remembered, but then again, I'm old, so........:)

William


To see what's the difference between the unaired pilot and the one as seen on tv just watch this youtube video (9:51 min):

STAR TREK 2nd PILOT Reconstructed - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORBGSaBZynw)

It pretty much covers all the differences, which are mostly in the teaser, the main title and the end credits.

Well, what good is THAT?? (Hehehehe) I wanted to see the deleted footage of that blond little yeoman, that Gary was hanging onto, on the bridge. I wanted to see the deleted shower scene with her in it! :) I know, I'm going to get PMs on that one from all the female members of the board, but that's okay, if they want to see Kirk or Spock in the shower, why should I mind? hehehehehe

William

Well, what good is THAT?? (Hehehehe) I wanted to see the deleted footage of that blond little yeoman, that Gary was hanging onto, on the bridge. I wanted to see the deleted shower scene with her in it! :) I know, I'm going to get PMs on that one from all the female members of the board, but that's okay, if they want to see Kirk or Spock in the shower, why should I mind? hehehehehe

William

Well, you may know the story about a naked Kim Cattral ("Lt. Valeris") on the set of "Star Trek - The Undiscovered Country"):

"Cinefantastique reported that during filming, Cattrall participated in a photo shoot on the empty Enterprise bridge, where she wore nothing but her Vulcan ears. The story claimed Nimoy personally ripped up all of the photographs and negatives when he learned about the unauthorized photo session, because he feared harm to the franchise if it ever came to light." (source: wikipedia Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_VI:_The_Undiscovered_Country#Cast) )

Maybe, something similar happened on the set of "Where No Man..." with Andrea Dromm (who played that awsome "chick" on the bridge). We'll never know... :)

(BTW, according to imdb.com, Andrea Dromm was promised a continuing run on the series, but she declined. Instead, she chose to star in the movie "The Russians Are Coming, the Russians Are Coming" (USA 1966) and, one year later, in "Come Spy with Me", which was to be her last starring role in her career! After that, she went to New York to continue her modeling career. A true loss for Hollywood!!!)

Never heard that story about Kim Cattral, but it really sounds like her. I cannot imagine Nimoy having the pull to be able to grab any prints and negs from that shoot! I'm sure that there are some, floating around somewhere!

I always find it amazing, when I do a Google search for "Andrea Dromm", that I get pictures of Buster Keaton (???), Bill Gates, any girl in a swimsuit, several porno actresses, and not ONE photo of Andrea as she looks today! I did find a couple of links:



Summer Blonde 1967 for Winter 2010 ~ Andrea Dromm (http://modsixties.5forum.net/t575-summer-blonde-1967-for-winter-2010-andrea-dromm)

The second one is pretty good.

They also had some pictures from "In like Flint" which I didn't know that she was in, with all those women, so I went over to IMBD.com:

Andrea Dromm - IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0238249/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1)

NOTHING!!! Someone needs to fill out her profile for the fans to know what she is up to these days, and how "young" she looks, hehehehe

Well, I can DREAM can't I? :)

William

Thank you, Squire! More scenes than I knew about, and it was eerie to watch, Star Trek that I haven't seen, 1965, wow!

Williamtaylor1969 Well, I can DREAM can't I? :)

William

Your will be done Sir! ;)

Scott

Well, although that was reported about Kim Cattral, it failed to report, how the producers and director really slammed Kim on the first day of filming, when she showed up on the set, having shaved off the hair on her temples the night before. They were completely pissed because she failed to "get permission" to do that, and the test footage had her with hair on the sides of her face. Her reply was that her "boyfriend" didn't like her "sideburns" as it made her look too manish, so she just cut her hair, and shaved whatever was left over!

Also, on ST2, the constant drinking problem with Bibi Besch, and her daughter Samantha, who was constantly on the set, was also brought to the attention of the execs, as well as Nick Meyers, the director. It seemed that her daughter was getting any boy she wanted, just because her mommy was starring in a new TREK movie, and the rumor was (I know, rumors....) that after filming was over, mommy and daughter would grab a bottle of whatever, and take the boy of the day off for a night of fun! I never saw anything like that personally, and Bibi never approached me or anyone I knew, which is great since I don't drink and don't whore around (hehehe) and I sure as HELL wouldn't fall for any little girl playing games like that with me! But I did hear from some of the crew that this was going on, and the execs had to get a handle on it! But in the bottom line, Bibi is dead now, and nothing to say about it, one way or the other. Just another "what if..." :)

William

If the rumors were true, I wonder if she said this line to the boy of the day, "Can I cook or can't I?". I just couldn't resist...http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/evillaugh.gif
.......http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/smack-1.gif...

Maybe she would say that because her "puddytat" was SMOKING!!! (you have to say that like Jim Carrey in "the Mask" hehehehe)

On another note, I came across this picture of the 11 foot TOS Enterprise:

All sizes | Closeup Detail of Underside of Enterprise Saucer (1st pilot) | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/birdofthegalaxy/3645936240/sizes/l/in/set-72157619514479789/)

If you look closely at the underside of the saucer, you will see that there is a light deformed area, that really stands out in the detailing under there, the concentric lines on the underside are all wobbley, which was a problem with the shape of the actual model, getting hit by all those lights, and in all that heat, it deformed the poor baby. I would bet a year's pay, that if you were to look at the underside of the ship, as it appears today, those deformed lines would NOT be there. Another rumor has it, that when Edward Miarecki was hired by the Smithsonian to restore the TOS-E, he wanted to do all the repair work "off site", so the only way he was allowed to remove any of the model was one piece at a time. One of the fellows that assisted him with the restoration work had said that Ed took the model and wouldn't let anyone near it for over a week, not even for a little "look-see" which was most unusual! When the week was over, nothing whatsoever had been done to the saucer, in the way of getting ready to restore it. This person knew that Ed had made copies before, but didn't really think that he would have done that to the original TOS Enterprise! (Why not? He's a crook, and wants to keep the original, and give the museum back a copy?) Anyway, the same situatiom came about with the secondary hull and then with the nacelles! Each time, nobody was allowed to even look at them or could have access to Ed's workshop for a week!

Stranger and stranger.....

William

Edward Miarecki...http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/gorn.gif....http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/klingone.gif

Maybe she would say that because her "puddytat" was SMOKING!!! (you have to say that like Jim Carrey in "the Mask" hehehehe)

On another note, I came across this picture of the 11 foot TOS Enterprise:

All sizes | Closeup Detail of Underside of Enterprise Saucer (1st pilot) | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/birdofthegalaxy/3645936240/sizes/l/in/set-72157619514479789/)

If you look closely at the underside of the saucer, you will see that there is a light deformed area, that really stands out in the detailing under there, the concentric lines on the underside are all wobbley, which was a problem with the shape of the actual model, getting hit by all those lights, and in all that heat, it deformed the poor baby. I would bet a year's pay, that if you were to look at the underside of the ship, as it appears today, those deformed lines would NOT be there. Another rumor has it, that when Edward Miarecki was hired by the Smithsonian to restore the TOS-E, he wanted to do all the repair work "off site", so the only way he was allowed to remove any of the model was one piece at a time. One of the fellows that assisted him with the restoration work had said that Ed took the model and wouldn't let anyone near it for over a week, not even for a little "look-see" which was most unusual! When the week was over, nothing whatsoever had been done to the saucer, in the way of getting ready to restore it. This person knew that Ed had made copies before, but didn't really think that he would have done that to the original TOS Enterprise! (Why not? He's a crook, and wants to keep the original, and give the museum back a copy?) Anyway, the same situatiom came about with the secondary hull and then with the nacelles! Each time, nobody was allowed to even look at them or could have access to Ed's workshop for a week!

Stranger and stranger.....

William

You are right William (as usual) there is no warping on the underside and now it makes me think if the big E at the Smithsonian is the real one or not? After looking at pictures of the restoration job they did, it just makes me sick to my stomach on the paint job they give her! blue and green!! guess no one told them you can't paint a filming model blue that sits in front of a blue screen! since blue is rendered BLACK after processing!! DOH!! if I'm not mistaken she was a light flat gray, which would cut down on all the glare from the studio lights, it appears most of the warpage is due from the internal lighting (at the time all they had was stranded incandescent light bulbs and Christmas lights) which goes to show you that the guys that built her were very ingenuous! it's just sad to see the Big E looking like she came from a long voyage at sea instead of space. I'm surprised more people have not complained more about the paint job! it looks out of character and just plan dumb....

Scott

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Edward Miarecki...http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/gorn.gif....http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/klingone.gif

Then he should have known better then to give The Big E a green tint!! another knuckle head! even I know better then to do that to something that millions of people love, oh and lets not forget the turkey red bussard caps he first put on the model!! good grief...the guy should hang his head in shame...

Scott

I guess the green, is from being in the Earth's atmosphere too long after that slingshot trip...you know the one where Scotty Tractor Beamed the F-104 to pieces.


I have never seen the Grand Lady in person, but, now if I did, I would have to http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/beatdeadhorse.gif Eddy boy...where did you say the line starts?http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/evillaugh.gif

I guess the green, is from being in the Earth's atmosphere too long after that slingshot trip...you know the one where Scotty Tractor Beamed the F-104 to pieces.


I have never seen the Grand Lady in person, but, now if I did, I would have to http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/beatdeadhorse.gif Eddy boy...where did you say the line starts?http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/evillaugh.gif

neither have I, one day I hope to be able see it in person myself. Right behind me!!!

The tractor beam was at a normal power setting, I cannae help if that F-104 was put together by a bunch of monkeys ;)

One more thing before I forget....this is the same guy that added a rust ring around the top of the saucer section as while!!

Scott

The ring is on the ship, and I STILL don't know why they call it a RUST RING!

You are right William (as usual) there is no warping on the underside and now it makes me think if the big E at the Smithsonian is the real one or not? After looking at pictures of the restoration job they did, it just makes me sick to my stomach on the paint job they give her! blue and green!! guess no one told them you can't paint a filming model blue that sits in front of a blue screen! since blue is rendered BLACK after processing!! DOH!! if I'm not mistaken she was a light flat gray, which would cut down on all the glare from the studio lights, it appears most of the warpage is due from the internal lighting (at the time all they had was stranded incandescent light bulbs and Christmas lights) which goes to show you that the guys that built her were very ingenuous! it's just sad to see the Big E looking like she came from a long voyage at sea instead of space. I'm surprised more people have not complained more about the paint job! it looks out of character and just plan dumb....

Scott

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Then he should have known better then to give The Big E a green tint!! another knuckle head! even I know better then to do that to something that millions of people love, oh and lets not forget the turkey red bussard caps he first put on the model!! good grief...the guy should hang his head in shame...

Scott

You are in fact wrong. There are several articles by the person who painted the ship. I can try to google them. At least one was published in the defunct Trek magazine. The Enterprise hull color was in fact a blue/green mix. Very pale, but a blue grey nonetheless. Details were in various shades of green and greys. The bussard caps were red/maroon, and in the original pilot versions, solid red/maroon, as they too were made of wood. The spike at the front of each was copper, as was the deflector grid and the ring just behind it. The leading edge of the connecting dorsal was a darker color as well. The various grid square details on the engines were not black, but the hull color. The darker look was shadowing from the grid patterns. The end caps as well. The ends in the pilot models did not have the ball, but a series of holes. I speculate that was supposed to represent the output for the warp drive, but it is just my random thought. The production model had the ball caps, and were painted silver/white. The impulse engines of course did not glow red. The deflector grids on the top of the primary hull had very light grid lines, which were apparently drawn on in pencil. Of the four lit squares, only three were lit. A fourth was just white paint.

The Enterprise C, D, Voyager and Defiant were of similar colors. The main difference on the engines being the blue lit warp coils, and the coils behind the collectors a copper color. The E was various shades of grey. The refit was a patchwork of bare metal, grey, white etc, with blue and green patterns on the engineering sectins, leading edges of the warp pylons and leading edge of the connecting dorsal. A very medium teal in fact. The inside detail of the torpedo tubes and grills were all the same colors. The NX was of course a bare metal scheme. I shall now pop off to find articles. The pictures of the D and others at the auctions were confirm the later ships, but the original unfortunately was not one of them.

The A, was painted different from the original refit version. The A was painted a flat white. :) :D :awsm:

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Article for the D (I hope):

Probert turned his attention to giving the model its color, like his predecessor Jefferies had done with the original Enterprise. Probert had a specific goal in mind when deciding upon the color scheme, "When I did the Enterprise-D, in my attempt at easing the visual move into a new shape Enterprise, looking [at] a lot of footage of classic Star Trek and all of the Enterprise flybys, I specified the color to be very subtle shades of blues and greens." (Star Trek: The Next Generation USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D Blueprints, booklet, p. 8) Probert's intent was to approximate the bluish hue as it was seen on screen in the original run of The Original Series:

"The fans were very concerned that we were replacing the original series. In order to soften some of that anxiety I wanted the two ships to be colored basically the same. Well, because of the low degree of technology compared to today, when the original Enterprise (which was actually a warm pearl gray) was filmed it picked up a lot of the blue spill [light used in the visual effects process] and therefore became bluish. What I did was indicate that the paneling of the D be painted in two shades of blue. One is a duck egg blue, and the other is kind of a sky blue, which is the base color the hobby kits are molded in. By mixing the two blues together I was hoping cinematically that there would be a close tie-in with the color of the original ship." (Star Trek: The Magazine Volume 1, Issue 16, p. 56)

The paneling Probert referred to, was the re-introduction of the "Aztec-paneling", the interlocking hull plate pattern on the saucer section, originally conceived for the Motion Picture Enterprise, in order to ease some of Visual Effects Producer Dan Curry's concerns, "But when we photographed the big ship very smooth, we couldn't tell the difference between it and a very small ship very smooth, because photographically, particularly on television and in order to create that sense of scale and hugeness, we needed three-dimensional relief, something to cast shadows." Eventually Curry's concerns were only partially met due to time restraints. He further recalled:

"On the six-foot model, another two months would have gotten us the detail I wanted, but I had to be practical. We had to get the model photographed and into the show. Although the use of the blue and green paneling worked well, I also asked for more "weathering", to make the surface more believable, even though we're reasonably sure that there's no weathering in space, no grease stains, no oxidation like you would have have on an airplane. When you have a completed model like that and it's painted and it looks pristine, it's not believable because it's pristine. It needs a certain patchiness to it, and the more detail you can get into a miniature, the more believable it's going to look" (Star Trek: The Next Generation USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D Blueprints, booklet, p. 9)

Galaxy class injoke perpetuated onto AMT's instructionsheet"Ugly" as seen on the instruction-sheet

The "hobby kits" Probert referred to was AMT/Ertl model kit No.6619 that was released within a year of the show's first airing. AMT maintained close contact with the Art Department as their painting instructions proved to be highly accurate. A pre-production evaluation model was sent to the studio and ended up as display piece in various episodes (see below). How close this contact was, was evidenced by the fact that they unwittingly copied an in-joke one of the modelers performed on the studio model. Detailing the numerous panels onto the model was drawn-out and tedious work, and one of the modelers, no doubt in a mood of tediousness, arranged some of the panels to read "Ugly". Never discernible on screen, it was dutifully carried over onto AMT's instruction-sheet. (Sci-Fi & Fantasy Models, issue 29, p. 54)

When Probert saw the first footage of the model shot under studio conditions, he was surprised that the result was the exact opposite of what he had intended. The intense studio lights blurred the color scheme into an overall gray color (as it did when still-photographed with flashlights; – see picture below of the "anti-time" variant of the four-foot model), ironically making the model approximate the appearance of the original Enterprise model as it was under flat-lit conditions. Though to date, no production confirmation has ever been forthcoming supporting the assertion, Probert has always been under the impression that this had been done on purpose, "For some unknown reason, however,... those colors were intentionally neutralized when the miniature was filmed, reducing it to the ranks of yet another gray spaceship. And this dis-coloring was perpetuated in subsequent movies." [2]. Nevertheless, this color scheme has been adhered to for the remainder of the series and has been carried over to the later four-foot model as well as to the contemporary Nebula-class studio model.

Probert has given a detailed overview of the colors he has used on his website, specified as follows:
Galaxy-class color scheme
Part PMS[1] Federal Standard[2] FS sample
Hull Green (paneling) 565 FS-24516 Galaxy class color choise
Hull Blue (base) 290 FS-15526
Navigational deflector Dish 166 FS-22246
Navigational deflector Housing 154 FS-10115
Lifeboat Covers 413 FS-36595 Galaxy class color choise (1)
Sensor Strips 278 FS-35450
Shuttle Bay Decks 430 FS-36270
Phaser/Photon Housings 423 FS-36307
Phaser Banks 455 FS-34201 Galaxy class color choise (2)
RCS Housings 616 FS-23564
Hull Lettering Blue 281 FS-25065
Insignia, other graphics, red 186 FS-21105
Front End-Caps 159 FS-22203 Galaxy class color choise (3)
Engine (serrated) Neck 130 FS-33538
Coil Gaps (between) 542 FS-35231
Power Coils Metallic Copper -

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Link to page. Interesting on the complete design and finishing process, with lots of pics: Galaxy class model - Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Galaxy_class_model)

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Link to an interesting article on the TOS Enterprise. I cannot dl the pics, but would **love** to have them if anyone can.

Hi, Amanda! Good read there and as for the TOS color, from what I read, that the color listed in the instructions of the Polar Light 1/1000 model, Light Ghost Gray is the closest to the color found on THE model, and compared to paint chips. The color does look a bluish gray on the model I am building. As for the other ships, well, they are not the TOS 1701, so who cares.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/smack-1.gif, OK, I'm picking on you...that hurt!

I have as much of the Christy's Auction photos as I could find, as research material, hell, any Star Trek FX model shots I can get I do.

The TOS 1701 link about is AWOL, I want it!

As for not downloading pictures, find a free copy of Screen Print Gold to download, and NEVER miss a picture, even if they say you can't. I have used the program since the mid 90's, and it is great. If a site says, I can't download a picture, like the link William gave about, I just laugh, and save it.

More pictures. Lots more, of decent size from The Christie's Auction.

The large Enterprise-A. Sold for $240,000 !

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As you can see, very detailed pics. Also, note that as I said, the A has been changed from the bare metal look to a flat white.

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The ring is on the ship, and I STILL don't know why they call it a RUST RING!

Yes, the ring is there. It is a **very** light rustish color and seems to fade towards the back of the primary hull, and appears to be lacking totally by the impulse housing.

Star Trek dot com gives the original color's here Star Trek What Color IS the TOS Enterprise? (http://www.startrek.com/boards-topic/33335117/What-Color-IS-the-TOS-Enterprise-_1252425543_33335117)

The colors were a flat finish a light grey color (Concrete gray) with a light tint of green. Not to be a pain Amanda but you forgot the type of film stock they used back in 1965 "Film stock, especially Ektachrome-based 35mm film stock used in the mid to late 60's had a blue bias (like 35mm camera film it usually has a bias towards the color of the box it comes in, i.e. Agfa/orange, Fuji/green, Kodachrome/yellow, etc.); so if the Enterprise looked blue from the bluescreen (enough to influence Andrew Probert to give homage to the classic Enterprise by making the 1701-D duck egg blue), AND by the film bias then It's blue for those reasons, and I can see how this Concrete color would absorb the blue biases easily" this from Richard Datin one of the original builders of the TOS model (11 footer).

As I said before there was NEVER a rust ring on the top of the saucer section! or any ring what so ever...that was added by Edward under the assumption of what conditions he found the model after sitting in a crate in a Paramount warehouse for about 11 or 12 years (before it was donated to the Smithsonian in 1974) collecting a lot of dust, ware and tear of bring used, heated up and cooled down...it's a miracle that the 11 foot model survived at all. If you get a chance you should see the photos of what the model looked like when the Smithsonian first got it! what a mess...

There where no grid lines, the haul was smooth (that detail was added again by Edward) because he found pencil marks on the model, those guys that built the model did not add any grid lines because Matt Jeffries did not put them in his drawings! why? 1: no one thought of adding that kind of detail, 2: they could not build a model with that kind of detail in the 60's...plus it would not have shown up on film anyway! just like the underside markings did not.

As for the Enterprise D that is a different animal all together! a whole new Era in Special Effects, new film types, lighting, model building, model lighting, blue screen/green screen, motion control camera rigs and camera's.


Scott

Sorry, man, but if you go back and look at the pics I posted of the original filming model, you will clearly see deflector grids penciled into the saucer, and yes, there IS a ring.

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Not to be a pain Amanda but ...

a pain? a hurt? a but? A Butthurt!!! :D

Now, the secondary hull, and rim of the primary are indeed smooth. Also note that the two pilot versions have no grid. Rumor has it Roddenberry asked for them to be added to the production model along with the other changes.

I did not forget about the film's affect. The same thing happens to later ships, even in the movies. They all appear grey on screen. I personally go for the studio model look when building, as opposed to the on screen look, but that is just a personal preference. I do not, however see proof of the ring, though many art images show it, and it is referenced long before the restoration. So about that, I dunno.

The Small Enterprise A, used for distance shots and so has a less detailed paint scheme. Notice the obvious discrepancies in detail, form and proportion. This is because it was built from the AMT model, which is..err..quite inaccurate. :erm: Notice the lettering is the decal set, and is left glossy, with no clear coat. This sold for $42,000.


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And here are the larger engineering and torpedo sections with battle damage, and the blown up ship, from Star Trek III. Sold for $40,000.

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That's it for the A for now.

I will note that the cgi Enterprises are done in greys. And the model for DS9 was grey, though it DID have very clear grids and a light aztec pattern, so go figure. Whenever I have built an original Enterprise, I have always used greys, with the main hull a light ghost grey. I choose it so it is as close to white as I can, and then all other greys will contrast.

Scott, Amanda is right, I have seen in screen grabs the rust ring and grid lines. Plus, Gary Kerr, who did the research for the 1/350 model kit, confirmed both on the model. Beside, when the professional work done on the original 1701, he that should not be named was told NOT to do any work on the top of the saucer.

As for painting the TOS 1701 model kit, suggestions made by others, to add blue or green to the gray paint, if the modeler wanted to match a scene from TOS, modeler's choice. I prefer for it to be gray, not rust ring, and no grid lines...it is MY model, and I WILL do it my way.

Something is not right in these pictures...the 11 foot model did not have a side mount, all it ever had was a bottom support pole and was suspended from a wire which entered the model in-between the impulse engine vents. For the series production version, this hole became a black “window”, or, possibly, remained an actual hole. The port side was unfinished because that is where the power cords ran down the dorsal into the secondary hull and then down through the support pole, and why we never saw that side of the ship. Check out the photo from the Smithsioan here Starship Enterprise Model from Star Trek TV Series - on display in the National Air and Space Museum Store (http://airandspace.si.edu/visit/concessions/shops/enterprise.cfm) it's still on the original support, just aft of the senor dish...here is a photo of the model being filmed filming Star Trek - the 11-foot U.S.S. Enterprise model and the "S.S. Botany Bay" | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroweb/3825902991/) no where is there a side mount. I suspect these pictures are from Master Replicas Enterprise Studio Scale Model. Check out this youtube video of the 11 foot model, it shows both port and starboard sides The U.S.S, Enterprise at The Smithsonian Museum - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkiFeVdA08M)

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Yes it is your model and you can paint it anyway you want to...sorry if I upset you or anyone else for that matter.


Scott

Nope, these were WAY before Master Replicas. They are from the long extinct Star Trek Mechanics and are of the real model.

Here is the link. It is clear that these were THE model from the time, I think. Either way, way before the replica.

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Something is not right in these pictures...the 11 foot model did not have a side mount, all it ever had was a bottom support pole and was suspended from a wire which entered the model in-between the impulse engine vents. For the series production version, this hole became a black �window�, or, possibly, remained an actual hole. The port side was unfinished because that is where the power cords ran down the dorsal into the secondary hull and then down through the support pole, and why we never saw that side of the ship. Check out the photo from the Smithsioan here Starship Enterprise Model from Star Trek TV Series - on display in the National Air and Space Museum Store (http://airandspace.si.edu/visit/concessions/shops/enterprise.cfm) it's still on the original support, just aft of the senor dish...here is a photo of the model being filmed filming Star Trek - the 11-foot U.S.S. Enterprise model and the "S.S. Botany Bay" | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroweb/3825902991/) no where is there a side mount. I suspect these pictures are from Master Replicas Enterprise Studio Scale Model. Check out this youtube video of the 11 foot model, it shows both port and starboard sides The U.S.S, Enterprise at The Smithsonian Museum - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkiFeVdA08M)

Scott

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Yes it is your model and you can paint it anyway you want to...sorry if I upset you or anyone else for that matter.


Scott

Scott, I personally am not upset. I enjoy the discussions about the ships. Perhaps during the restoration they covered the side mount's hole. We should check the shots in the crete, see what they show. As far as I have read, these types of discussions get hotly discussed on many boards. I think for TOS it is gonna have to be personal choice. Were I ever to get the big Polar Lights one, I think I would rather go with the on-screen look also.

Scott, I'm not upset, just acting like a Klingon. Getting a modeler to agree on the color of the TOS 1701 is harder than getting a Klingon to adopt a Tribble as a pet.

As for the stand for the 11 footer, every shot of it I have seen, was mounted from below.

another interesting site with good reference section: Starship Modeler - Your Complete Information Source for Science Fiction, Fantasy and Real Space Scale Modeling (http://www.starshipmodeler.com/)

Well, I'm UPSET, damn it! Oh, my GOD!!!! What the HELL!!


Wait a minute, I guess that I'm not upset!

Sorry about the rant, hehehehehe :)

Anyway, folks, I can tell you from PERSONAL experience exactly what color the original "Big-E" was, since I had a conversation with "Matt" Jefferies about that very same subject. I had to contact Matt about something unrelated, and told him that there was a HUGE debate over what color of grey the hull was. Matt was always a big airplane nut, and he even had a small personal airplane at Van Nuys. He said that the color was a custom job of grey, green and blue, but if I wanted a spray paint over the counter to as close as anything, I could go to any hobby store (at that time) and buy a can of "Pactra" hobby spray paint called "Aero grey" or "Aero blue", one of the two. So, I went to my local hobby store (in Van Nuys, a BIG place) and I bought every single can of that color of Pactra paint they had, and put in an order for another 10 cans. I went home and the first chance I got, I painted my AMT TOS Enterprise that I had spent alot of time correcting, so it would look just like the original. The color is mostly grey with only a "whisper" of really light blue! No green color was seen at all. I had ordered some new decals from a company back east, who made the correct decal sheet, and I wanted to make sure everything was correct. Matt had also given me advise on the detailing. He said that (unlike Ed's modifications) the only detailing on the saucer section were the lines on the underside. NO panel lines, the top was totally smooth, and no holes on the underside where the phasers were shown firing from. No photon torpedo holes either, completely smooth!
Now, as a fan, and a big technical person when it comes to TREK, I really like the idea of panel lines, like what Scott Gamman had done on the top of the saucer, it's logical to have them there (no pun, please). But the way that East coast Eddy did it was just God-awful, and he really needs to be taken out and flogged! I have not see a closeup of the underside of the saucer from that angle to see if the deformed lines are still on the model on display, and I hope that someone can get a closeup shot of that starboard side for comparison. But since Eddy had made a copy of the 6 foot Galactica from the old show, and sold it as an original, it would not be too hard for him to do that with the TOS Enteprise.

Commenting on the Ent-A photos here, and the auction shots. Greg Jein had gotten into trouble with Paramount when they found out that he was making copies of the "A" and selling them to his friends in Toyko, for big bucks. They yelled at him with all sorts of formal legal crap, and then turned around and had him produce a BUNCH of copies of the "A" and "D" as well as other models, which the studio sold to "Planet Hollywood" as ORIGINALS! I later found out that the majority of original items on display were all copies, most of them coming from "Profiles in History" who have a fantastic reputation for selling totally original and verified hollywood props and costumes, most of which are NOT! :)

Now, the small section of the Enteprise with battle damage displayed there for auction, that is NOT the original! The original was massive, over 5 feet long, which was used for the closeup from ST2. That model, you can see is not even half that size. There was a model of the sleeper ship that Khan and his crew were in, on display and for sale, and it was only about 3 feet long. Well you can see in comparison with the 11 foot model, that the sleeper ship had to be 5 to 5 1/2 feet long! There is no way that little ship was original, even though it came with a letter signed by Richard Arnold, stating it was the original!!!
I have also seen letters from Mike Okuda and Rick Sternbach claiming the props were original, when I knew they were not! So, who are you going to believe. The original TOS "captain's chair" that was sold for about 300,000.00 was NOT original, and you can tell from the pictures on the auction. It should have had holes in the front of the arms, where Kirk would hit a button to call Scotty. The one on auction had no such hole, and the description said that no repairs had been done, keeping it completely original. Those buttons, and the lights under the panels went down at least one inch, where you would need a square cut into the arm. There was no hole cut there! And that chair came with a letter signed by Herb solow, stating it was the original!!!

There is so much fraud going on here, people. You just don't know what is real and what is not!

End of rant! Hehehehehe :)


BTW: here are some very RARE shots of the TOS bridge:

All sizes | filming Star Trek - Enterprise bridge plaque - another take | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroweb/3860423441/sizes/o/in/set-72157622094746486/)

All sizes | filming Star Trek - Enterprise bridge turbolift alcove | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroweb/3862460288/sizes/o/in/set-72157622094746486/)



William

William, my understanding is that the larger pieces for Khan were that size so they could actually film the phaser cut. These shots are supposedly from III, and only show the patched sections so could be smaller. You will notice that even in the film, the Enterprise in III shows a LOT more damage than last seen in II.

Well, this could be true, but if you already had a large version of that model, why not just re-use the one from ST2, instead of creating a new, smaller version? You know what a bunch of skinflints the execs at the studios are! (only my banker knows for sure, hehehehe)

On another topic, Amanda, I hope you can help me. I had a VERY nice 8X10 color photo of the TOS Engineering stage, that I had sent to William McCullars for his IDIC page, and it never found it's way back to me. I did notice that he had posted a copy of that photo on his site, but I never downloaded a copy of that. It was a nice FAN taken shot of the whole set, with wood in the ceiling and production lights, etc. I was hoping that perhaps you had gotten a copy of that shot!

I have searched all over, but apparently the IDIC site is gone, and so is the backup archive site as well! :(

Please let it be in your massive collection somewhere.....

Thanks, William

William, my understanding is that the larger pieces for Khan were that size so they could actually film the phaser cut. These shots are supposedly from III, and only show the patched sections so could be smaller. You will notice that even in the film, the Enterprise in III shows a LOT more damage than last seen in II.

The extra damage was from Kirk, and a Phaser II, in a spacesuit. As he was shooting, he kept yelling...Damn you Khan, damn you Khan....

No Will, I am sorry but I have no interior shots as of yet. I too miss IDIC, it was a wonderful resource. I may have had it, but I am constantly moving or deleting things for space, and since I keep these on Photobucket, I often delete pics first..

Speaking of, if ou will indulge me, here are some of my meager attempts at matching colors...

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The AMT revision of the Vulcan shuttle in Federation colors. The new kits come with a metal pole for a stand, have had detail corrected, and all the decals needed to do the Vulcan or Federation versions. I have not started on the warp sled just yet...

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The K'Tinga class Klingon Cruiser. I added many extra "greebles" here and there including all disrupter canons. No decals for this, all my paint job.

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And just for kicks and giggles, some of my misc models, including the **spectacular** Fine Molds Millennium Falcon.

Two Galacticas; old and new:
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Revised model of the Colonial Viper:
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Seawolf and Los Angeles class attack submarines:
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So I kind of mix the on-screen hull color with the studio models color accents. By the way, the federation hull color closely matches Duck Egg Blue, but it is a bottle only color...

I have a few pictures that came from Amanda and several other sites over the years of the TOS Big E you can download them if you want them. There are also photo's of her being uncreated at the Smithsonian.

https://hotfile.com/dl/188535022/65d12f1/Enterprise_1701.rar.html

Enjoy

Scott

William, check this link to see if you can find it. Internet Archive Wayback Machine (http://web.archive.org/web/20001015000000*/http://members.aol.com/IDICPage/main.html)

Also, what I collected from IDIC were of the model shots. If it is there, share.

It IS There but it keeps loading the same page no matter what.

William, check this link to see if you can find it. Internet Archive Wayback Machine (http://web.archive.org/web/20001015000000*/http://members.aol.com/IDICPage/main.html)

Also, what I collected from IDIC were of the model shots. If it is there, share.

Thank You!! that site was great :) a ton of pictures wooohooo

Scott

I found the page where the photo should be, dead link. The ONE picture, and http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/redshirt.gif!

Well, I KNEW that he had posted it as a "Gem kirk of the week" and, sure enough, it was just about the end of my search:

The IDIC Page - Gem Kirk 6 (http://web.archive.org/web/19990219224912/http://members.aol.com/WMccullars/GemKirk6.html)

There were so many that didn't have pictures and/or descriptions, but this was the one that I was looking for. Pity that of all of them, this one didn't have the picture to go with it, but at least it was there, at one time! Perhaps it will show up. I'll have to go thru the rest of those pictures, since Bill sometimes put the same photo in two different places. Thanks alot.

William

Some REALLY funny stuff here:

TOS Caption Contest #151: Early Bird Special - The Trek BBS (http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=108218)

I really liked the funny captions that they put on Janice Rand's room number sign! A small piece of trivia, the NBC execs didn't like the idea of Captain Kirk having a "Captain's girl" as they referred to Rand, and they wanted Gene to have a male in that role, which really led to another problem with a "Captain's BOY" hehehehehee! :)

After seeing what Amanda pointed out about the scale of the shuttlecraft, I started watching some of the TOS episodes, and watched carefully for errors, which there were many, at least one per. I also found out that Mike Okuda was the exec producer of the "restoration" and oversaw every aspect of the new DVDs! So, I wondered why a self proclaimed "Star Trek GURU" like Mr. Okuda, who should be really knowledgable about such things, would let any of this horrible footage get past him, and onto the DVD production! Apparently, he was more concerned with getting the MONEY from the job, instead of sitting down for 40 hours of video footage, and checking every single minute of the restored footage, which is something that I would have done, to be sure.

A person's greed always comes to light, no matter what!

William

May I point our an error that sort of jumped out at me? The Lights of Zetar. Spock said he read ten life forms. When they were in Lieutenant Vera Romain, the Zetarians said they were the last hundred of Zetar.

Hey, check out this site for GREAT TOS behind the scenes photos:

Behind the scenes: When a fan visited the set - The Trek BBS (http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=199423)

Enjoy, William

Amazing work, jealous.

Those are some cool behind the scenes photos.

I was looking at a assembly manual for some aftermarket parts I bought for the 22" cut away AMT model, and found this history account of the re..screw...you know what was done to the 11 foot model. Any thoughts on the account, if true or not.

"A second restoration has been done in 1991 for a major Star Trek exhibit at the Air & Space Museum. Enter Ed Miaercki, a
prop maker for ST: TNG he accompanied Michael Okoda the series art director to a Star Trek convention in Maryland.
During a lunch Okoda introduced Ed to Ken Isbell of the Smithsonian. During which Ed made the off the cuff comment
"When are you going to restore the Enterprise?" starting a series of discussions which resulted into a contract to restore
one of the most famous props in history.

After Ed presented his credentials to the curator at the Smithsonian and inspected the model, it was shipped covertly
to Ed's workshop in Springfield, Massachusetts and delivered in the dead of night from a huge step van. Only a few
people knew of the restoration and a security system to the shop was installed.

The ship was pretty well beat up from 25 year of neglect and abuse. After the series was canceled the model sat in the
Paramount prop department for years until groups of college students used it at "Trek" parties. The Smithsonian
obtained it in very poor condition in 1974.

Ed started into the project, he first consulted with Matt Jeffries the old series Art Director and a Homer Jensen one of the
builders for the Howard Anderson company. Hon1er was 82 years old when interviewed but managed to remember back
27 years. With information and film clips, the assembled crew of local modelers with the assistance from a few from
California started in. "The whole project was a dream come true, and a lot of fun," Miarecki said.

Ed started by taking it apart and inspect it to see how it was constructed, and to gather information on original paint
colors. Most of the model is constructed of wood like a piece of furniture. The only major plastic piece is the primary hull
which was vacumformed and fitted to a wooden frame. Afterthe model's "superstructure" was rebuilt, an all new
electrical/electronic system was installed by an electronics team then new paint was applied and "weathered" to the
conditions filmed in the series third and final season. The Smithsonian exhibit opened on Feb. 28, 1992 to the public. Their
are no plans to restore it for another 50 years so Ed Miarecki's accomplishments will have to stand for some time."

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Amanda, you are an awesome modeler! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/jawdrop.gif
Some of the best I have seen, and I have seen a lot!http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/thumbup.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/thumbup.gif

IDIC has a interview with Ed it's titled "The 1991 Renovation of the USS Enterprise NCC-1701 Studio Model"

here is the link The IDIC Page - '91 Enterprise (http://web.archive.org/web/20041204141800/http://members.aol.com/IDICPage/Enterprise1991.html)

Just a little bit different story, but no big deal....

Scott

btw Amanda you did a wonderful job on those models...you should be proud of your work.

No mention of Mike....he said/ he said (no she this time), and true, no big deal, it is still messed up.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/throwup.gif

On the Polar Light 1/350 TOS 1701, they added light recessed grid line to the model, under a lot of protest.

No mention of Mike....he said/ he said (no she this time), and true, no big deal, it is still messed up.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/throwup.gif

On the Polar Light 1/350 TOS 1701, they added light recessed grid line to the model, under a lot of protest.

Yeah I read that, they said (Polar Lights) that they found an indication (again I assume) from the TOS 11 foot model that Matt Jefferies was going to have the grill behind the "Control Reactor" (Inboard Warp Unit's) light up! when the ship was to go to warp, but the budget would not cover the expense? might have looked really cool! maybe blue in color (what they use currently) or maybe purple!! first I have heard of that!!

Scott

IDIC has a interview with Ed it's titled "The 1991 Renovation of the USS Enterprise NCC-1701 Studio Model"

here is the link The IDIC Page - '91 Enterprise (http://web.archive.org/web/20041204141800/http://members.aol.com/IDICPage/Enterprise1991.html)


When I saw that for the first time, I couldn't believe how much they ruined it.
It almost looks as if it was made out of paper thanks to that horrible paint job.

I wonder why this Ed guy painted all those lines on it. I understand his excuse was that he saw the lines in old photos. Interesting no one else saw them. Also everyone that has ever worked on it has never touched the top of the saucer. Ed was told to do the same. Obviously he didn't listen because you can clearly see the lines he air brushed on the top. And since the top never had those ugly lines, that negates his excuse for adding them. I was there years ago and saw it befor he messed it up. I have no desire to see it again. If we have to wait 50 years for another restoration, I'll be dead. (I'm 57).

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Getting back to the 15 CD set, Personally I don't need 320. First of all, they take too long. Even on a fast connection. Then, my old ears usually can't tell the difference. I wonder if there are any available out there at a lower bit rate?

I have no idea if they are, 320 is usually what is offered, or perhaps vbr.

As for our phantom grid lines....they **are** there on the 11 footer originally. The bottom of the saucer had a series of concentric grooves, but no deflector grids. The top of the saucer did have the grid, but it was done in pencil, and would never have shown up on scree with the film and tv tech of the time. The saucer rim, secondary hull and warp engines were smooth. In fact, on the pilot versions, even the shuttle hatch is smooth, as they had not written that in yet. :)

Amanda,
Now that you mention it, I do remember the grid. It's just that Mr Ed made it so much more pronounced as to make it downright ugly. Thanks for the reply. :)
Jim

the new paint job is really bad. The idea of "weathering" in space i get. But the Star Trek universe does not have that on the ships, not the Klingons and certainly not on Federation ships. Star Wars of course does, but that is one of the very large visual differences, even in the latest films. Trek tech always seems new, dusted and functional. No smudge on the lift handles, no dust in unused rooms, no space spiders and webs. We do know there are janitorial type positions, but damn, they are good. And no planet killer, romulan or giant ameoba ever left even one scratch on the paint. I always joke that after every episode, the captain sends the crew out with brushes and paint to fix it. I find this especially relevant to Voyager which almost always appeared ship shape, despite not having drydock facilities....

It looks smooth, that is the way I build it, and no rust ring, or algae.

I do take some liberties. The Defiant **should** be a duck's egg blue, same as the D, but I went with the grey. Partly as a spray for the more correct color is not made, and I don't do the airbrush thing. I took liberties with the Klingon hull color too, having seen a few pics of the D-7 having a similar multi colored look. It took my fancy so I adapted that. I have done so many over the years, I got tired of Battle grey...:)

I think the pronounced grid lines first started appearing in the schematics? Making Star Trek et al? Became sort of cannon after that. Of Course, those prints also give phaser "bumps" to the saucer, and label windows on the top as torpedo launchers. All of which I can forgive, since original fx footage was more than a little vague about what was coming outta where.

I surmise that when the refit was designed, many of these now canon features made their way into the new design and have since been cemented. Much as the "new" aztec hull pattern is now applied to the 1701....

Aztec pattern on the TOS, I have no problem with, if a modeler wants to do it, but, the 11' one did not have it, and so the remastered should not have had it. They even put it on the Romulan BOP, and Klingon Battle Cruiser!

OK. Further exploration of The wili page....the images of the TOS Enterprise with the side mount are indeed NOT of the original filming model. Apologies. I see now that they are shots of Greg Jein's model for Trial and Tribblations. It is of course close and pretty, but colors and pannel lines/grids should be non canon. To purists, anyway....

OK. Further exploration of The wili page....the images of the TOS Enterprise with the side mount are indeed NOT of the original filming model. Apologies. I see now that they are shots of Greg Jein's model for Trial and Tribblations. It is of course close and pretty, but colors and pannel lines/grids should be non canon. To purists, anyway....

No apologizes are necessary Amanda! anyone with a tad of commonsense knows that a ship the size of the Enterprise (945 feet long) was not made out of one solid piece, not even Aircraft Carriers today are made that way, but no one at the time TOS was originally on the air, ever envisioned that it would become such a phenomenal success with such staying power! almost 50 years and have such an impact on our daily lives!! it's unheard of...and it all came from a handful of people....just amazing!!!

On space weathering, one would assume it does happen! but since we as humans only have experience with Earth/Lunar areas and zero experience with deep space travails who really knows! I would guess the reason Federation ships look so clean would be the Deflector Dish moving whatever particles, cosmic rays & radiation out of the ships path! either that or Starfleet has a very big car wash somewhere ;)

Since Starfleet is based after the US Navy, every ship Captain is ultimately responsible for his/her ship! I am sure we have all seen news story's about a US Navy sub or ship that got grounded or ran aground...and the Captain was relieved of command! you can bet your last buck he/she was never given command of another ship again and their career in the Navy was over with. I would assume the same thing for Starfleet...the only way I can see a Captain never bumping into anything would be computer's!! either that or they have on hell of a collision insurance policy!! In Star Trek Generations when Captain Harriman in command of the Enterprise B could not figure out what to do to rescue the El-Aurian people I about lost it!! who was the knot head that put him in command? and then to top it off he losses one of Starfleet's greatest Capitan's!! the man should have been relieved of command, court-marshaled, and dishonorably discharged from Statfleet. If we want reality watch the news...it still was a good movie!

Scott

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I wonder why this Ed guy painted all those lines on it. I understand his excuse was that he saw the lines in old photos. Interesting no one else saw them. Also everyone that has ever worked on it has never touched the top of the saucer. Ed was told to do the same. Obviously he didn't listen because you can clearly see the lines he air brushed on the top. And since the top never had those ugly lines, that negates his excuse for adding them. I was there years ago and saw it befor he messed it up. I have no desire to see it again. If we have to wait 50 years for another restoration, I'll be dead. (I'm 57).

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Getting back to the 15 CD set, Personally I don't need 320. First of all, they take too long. Even on a fast connection. Then, my old ears usually can't tell the difference. I wonder if there are any available out there at a lower bit rate?

Right behind you!! being 55 I'll never see it restored to it's glory either! after seeing that green color Ed painted it, I'll be happy remembering what it looked like on the TV screen.

Scott

Ok. As for the "rust ring" you can see it here clearly on the master replicas along with a bit of forward weathering:

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Now, it was mentioned this was solely based on damage and weathering on the original when uncrated. Said "damage" is here:

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A closer look at the "ring":

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However, here is an almost identical shot and angle int original footage from The Doomsday Machine:

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Same ring, same weathering. So I figure it's personal choice, but it may be there. Certainly, claims that the top saucer were left as is are plausible to me.[COLOR="Silver"]

I never noticed it before!! it always looked clean...looks like you are right Amanda.

Scott

Scott, we modelers look for every scrap of info to build our wessels as close to the original, so we notice more.

It looks like you need another session in Doctor Donald Cory's Rehabilitation chair.

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The grid lines are faint but distinct. The "rust" ring is clearly visible, and seems to be a distinct section of panels, uniform in size, but fading towards the ends..

Here is the Restoration, supposedly preserving the saucer top as was:

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I had a good shot of it from The Doomsday Machine that showed it clearly, but PB seems to have derped it...:(

Anyhoo, here's the thing. The pilot version of the 11 footer is smooth and sleek, no grid, no ring, though some say you can see faint grids here:

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The daylight shots seem to resolve color debates to me. As do the ones of the 3 footer:

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Soooo...yea. I have a lot of the 11 footer now. Pretty cool. Do you all want me to try and post it all again? I dunno what happened to them. Photobucket switched to a "new Look" and it got all fracked....

Correction: I have always referred to the smaller model as the "3 footer", come to find out that it was actually a "4 footer"!!! :) So, I stand...er....sit corrected! Hehehehehe

Also, if you ever wanted to make your own tricorder or phaser, or (in this case) your own communicator, here is a GREAT site to give you all you will ever need to make one:

HeroComm - Home Page (http://www.herocomm.com/Home.htm)

Better grab them FAST! Because you never know what's going to happen tomorrow!!! :)

Oh, and before I forget (Hey, I'm OLD, okay? :)) I was at a convention in the late 80's, and I met a woman, who came up to my table, looking at some displays from STTNG that I was standing at, and talking to people about the new show, etc. Come to find out that this was the person who had gotten custody of the original shuttlecraft! "Daddy" had known Gene Roddenberry, who GAVE the shuttle to this man, due to the fact that he had a child who loved the show. The shuttle was transported to the man's house, parked in front, moved to the side of the house, and found it's way to a storage unit, where it sat, lonely and abused by weather, and ignored by it's "owner". This young person joined a commune up in Oregon, had a name change to "Parivarto" (Seriously???) and also had a sex change, becoming a woman. When she approached my table, I thought that I was meeting perhaps the ugliest female on the face of the planet! Another dealer came running up to me, behind the table, pointed at the lady, who was talking to other people, and said to me "Dude! That's the guy who got his penis cut off!" I turned to look at the dealer (He was using the name "James T. Kirk" at the time) and said "You're a real CLASS act, Jim! He smiled and walked away. That's when Parivarto saw me, and came over to talk to me. She reached in her purse and pulled out a TOS communicator. Smaller and thinner than the TV versions, sleeker and the gold grill fit flush with the top of the outside. Totally inaccurate, but it was the most beautiful communicator I had ever seen! She would not let me hold it, and insisted that I not tell anyone about it! Really whack, and really mental, but it was a very impressive communicator, all the same. The other communicator that I saw, was made from wood grain plastic, vacuformed to the shape, and had gold trim instead of silver. It was made by David Heilman, who later built the DS9 station model. I should have insisted that he sell me the communicator, because it was so rare, but I didn't. He said that it was supposed to be an "Admiral's communicator"!! That was my two communicator stories! :)

William

William, I have to correct you, it is 3 foot not 4 foot. Actually it was 32 inches, but called 3 foot. And, it was updated along with the 11 footer, so both matched each other.

It is what Kirk is holding up there, and the new Polar Lights kit should be a fairly good match in size.

I just saw a site, I will try to find it, where they knew EVERY little detail about both models, and they called it the 4 footer!!! Looking at that photo of kirk holding it, I thought that it does look like a 4 footer! I thought that the polar lights model was 36 inches???

Also, did I see someone post a link to the two LABEL-X Star Trek TOS music cds?? my tracks are pulled from the records, and I totally forgot. If someone can point to where those links are, I would greatly appreciate it! :)


William

The info I have on the smaller model says it was 33 inches. It was intended to be only a study model for the larger model, but the big one had not yet been delivered for filming, so generic flyby and distance shots were filmed with the smaller one. And cut into episodes liberally....So it should match up well with the Polar Lights. I have had 1 built, and still have 1 unbuilt of the 350 refit, and the size is about right. They are awesome models.

.....not sure why, but I seem to be on a Lt. M'Ress kick....?

Check out this link on the 3 foot model.StarTrek History - Behind the Scenes (http://startrekhistory.com/models.html)

No apologizes are necessary Amanda! anyone with a tad of commonsense knows that a ship the size of the Enterprise (945 feet long) was not made out of one solid piece, not even Aircraft Carriers today are made that way, but no one at the time TOS was originally on the air, ever envisioned that it would become such a phenomenal success with such staying power! almost 50 years and have such an impact on our daily lives!! it's unheard of...and it all came from a handful of people....just amazing!!!

On space weathering, one would assume it does happen! but since we as humans only have experience with Earth/Lunar areas and zero experience with deep space travails who really knows! I would guess the reason Federation ships look so clean would be the Deflector Dish moving whatever particles, cosmic rays & radiation out of the ships path! either that or Starfleet has a very big car wash somewhere ;)

Since Starfleet is based after the US Navy, every ship Captain is ultimately responsible for his/her ship! I am sure we have all seen news story's about a US Navy sub or ship that got grounded or ran aground...and the Captain was relieved of command! you can bet your last buck he/she was never given command of another ship again and their career in the Navy was over with. I would assume the same thing for Starfleet...the only way I can see a Captain never bumping into anything would be computer's!! either that or they have on hell of a collision insurance policy!! In Star Trek Generations when Captain Harriman in command of the Enterprise B could not figure out what to do to rescue the El-Aurian people I about lost it!! who was the knot head that put him in command? and then to top it off he losses one of Starfleet's greatest Capitan's!! the man should have been relieved of command, court-marshaled, and dishonorably discharged from Statfleet. If we want reality watch the news...it still was a good movie!

Scott

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Right behind you!! being 55 I'll never see it restored to it's glory either! after seeing that green color Ed painted it, I'll be happy remembering what it looked like on the TV screen.

Scott

It's been suggested in written fiction that Captain Harriman's father, who was a somewhat influential admiral at the time, was largely responsible for the Enterprise-B's not being ready for full service at the time of the publicity cruise.

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Also, did I see someone post a link to the two LABEL-X Star Trek TOS music cds?? my tracks are pulled from the records, and I totally forgot. If someone can point to where those links are, I would greatly appreciate it! :)
William

Not the links from here you're looking for, but from another source (lossless, wv-format!):

Label X Re-recording Vol. 1:

https://rapidshare.com/#!download|919p6|348876901|VA-ST-V1_LXCDWv_.rar|194284|0|0

Label X Re-recording Vol. 2:

https://rapidshare.com/#!download|810p1|349198258|VA-ST-V2_LXCDWv_.rar|197428|0|0

They seem to be working.

Soundtrekker

EDIT:

And this is the ffshrine link you were looking for, with another link (in flac, this time!):

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(BTW, the year of release for the two Label X re-recordings is 1985, not 1995!)

downloaded the pdf instructions for the new 350 scale TOS Enterprise along with their revised paint chip color guide, if there is any interest in that.

Now, you KNOW there is interest! Hehehehehehe :)

William

NO. I want the model uploaded so I can get a copy.....come to think of it, that would be possible one day, upload the file to use with a 3D printer.

Is it known where the three footer is now?

It is not, as far as I know. It "disappeared" under some mysterious circumstances, and the last I had heard, no one is admitting to having it.

The last that anyone had reported seeing it, was totally destroyed in the Roddenberry garage, by a "guest" of the Roddenberry's by the name of Kevin Smith (NOT the director) He claimed that it was in the garage with a bashed up original "Nomad", both totally destroyed. AND, Majel had stated at a convention one time, that she had used old TOS tunics to polish her car!!! (The whole audience groaned at that comment, at which time, Majel just laughed) That was in the early 80's, and I could not believe that she would make such a statement, much less to a crowd of TREK fans!!!

William

Incredible!! What a waste. What a shame. I'm guessing the Roddenberrys weren't Trekkies>

The last that anyone had reported seeing it, was totally destroyed in the Roddenberry garage, by a "guest" of the Roddenberry's by the name of Kevin Smith (NOT the director) He claimed that it was in the garage with a bashed up original "Nomad", both totally destroyed. AND, Majel had stated at a convention one time, that she had used old TOS tunics to polish her car!!! (The whole audience groaned at that comment, at which time, Majel just laughed) That was in the early 80's, and I could not believe that she would make such a statement, much less to a crowd of TREK fans!!!

William

Just enough to make a person cry!!

Scott

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Incredible!! What a waste. What a shame. I'm guessing the Roddenberrys weren't Trekkies>

Just as far as the money went.

Scott

...and they got my money through Lincoln Enterprises. Of course, I didn't mind, it was a fun time for me.

Okay, gang, here's a little treat for all you "Treknicians" out there, heheheheehe :)

https://hotfile.com/dl/189434990/1a29877/star_trek_promo.movie.mp4.html

It's something that I've been playing with, trying to make it look better than the one over at YOUTUBE!!!

Enjoy, William

Okay, gang, here's a little treat for all you "Treknicians" out there, heheheheehe :)

https://hotfile.com/dl/189434990/1a29877/star_trek_promo.movie.mp4.html

It's something that I've been playing with, trying to make it look better than the one over at YOUTUBE!!!

Enjoy, William


Thanks, William, that's really cool! I love this early promo painting. I still have the first volume of the James Blish novelisations with this poster on it (U.S. Bantam issue)! Of course, I own ALL of the Bantam Blish issues! ;)

"Lincoln Enterprises" I bought many film clip frames from them. Positive images that could be mounted in half frame slide mounts. They were advertised as being the actual film that ran through the cameras while they filmed the show. But when the DVD transfers were made, it was said they went back to the original camera negatives. Any one which is correct? Thanks

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"Lincoln Enterprises" I bought many film clip frames from them. Positive images that could be mounted in half frame slide mounts. They were advertised as being the actual film that ran through the cameras while they filmed the show. But when the DVD transfers were made, it was said they went back to the original camera negatives. Any one know which is correct? Thanks

No, that is not true. What the "film clips" from Lincoln were actually, Majel had Gene just print up every second of footage that went thru the camera, without any sound stripe, and she wanted him to just give it to her, so she could cut it up and sell it! This is the reason that so many "out-takes" from the filming came out of the clips from Lincoln! Gene did as he was instructed, and just after Lincoln closed it's doors for all time, I went over there to have lunch with a friend, and he showed me all of the VHS videos, that had been exposed to the sun, with bleached out covers, etc. and he took me around another corner of the back "stock" room, and there in a corner sat a small mountain of film reels, which were all of the un-used, uncut film strips from TOS Trek! They hadn't even gotten 1/4 the way thru their supply, which I guess that Rod Roddenberry has sitting around somewhere. You could ask him what he did with all of his moms stock, there was a hell of alot of it!

William

Amazing! Sounds like the Lincoln Enterprises listing was a lie. I'm thankful to those of you who are "in the know." Here's another discrepancy I read about: The original helm console was donated to UCLA's theater arts department where it was left outside in the elements and ruined. Many years later I read it was in private ownership and either Walter Koenig or George Takei verified it's authenticity. ???

Amazing! Sounds like the Lincoln Enterprises listing was a lie. I'm thankful to those of you who are "in the know." Here's another discrepancy I read about: The original helm console was donated to UCLA's theater arts department where it was left outside in the elements and ruined. Many years later I read it was in private ownership and either Walter Koenig or George Takei verified it's authenticity. ???

According the TrekToday there was an auction in 2003 "On April 26th, 2003, Profiles in History will auction memorabilia from classic science fiction movies and shows, including the helm console from Star Trek's original Enterprise, formerly on display at the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, DC." here is the link for the article TrekToday - Upcoming Auction To Include NCC-1701 Helm (http://www.trektoday.com/news/010403_04.shtml)

I'm surprised that any of these sets survived! I figured once the show was canceled they were torn apart and sent to a dump....go figure.

Scott

I wonder if the Bridge set built for the Defiant on Enterprise still exists. This was the first "official" replica of the bridge built in almost 4 decades and was extremely accurate to the original.

The sets for ALL Trek series (any series, really) were broken down after filming for the series ended. But, whether the individual pieces still exist? Who knows. I suspect some do; I would bet staffers grabbed bits here and there. But as standing sets, or even whole sections to be reassembled, I highly doubt it. I think the TMP sets were destroyed after filming, I know it was redressed several times. Many sets were "repurposed" for other sets. The E bridge was completely redesigned at least once...

Yes, Gene Roddenberry "donated" all of the original TOS sets to UCLA, and a friend of mine had taken me in there, under the stage, behind locked caged areas (I thought I was sneaking into fort knox, ehhehe) and the only thing that was left were the instrument panels from the bridge and other places. Sitting in old cardboard boxes, they still looked pretty good. Really scratched up and beaten, but still looking amazing. He did tell me that most of the sets and wall panels were ripped apart and used for other things, and I know personally that the captain's chair was taken out of the property dept and ripped apart in 1971, because I spoke with the guy from the property department who was one of three people who did it! They wanted to get the center chair, since it was a normal office chair to begin with, but discovered that the legs had been cut off, and could not be used. The captain's chair that was sold at auction, therefore, was a total forgery! Forget who verified it being real, it was a FAKE!!!!
You have to also remember, people, that all of the original sets, costumes and props were really BAD looking in person. I have seen several original items, and they just looked horrible. When Majel said that she used the original costumes to wax her car, I remembered seeing an original Chekov tunic once, on display, and I couldn't believe how poorly put together it was. The fans are making MUCH better looking copies than the original, both in costumes and in props, MUCH better! :)

That's just my two cents, because (as the JHfan man says) I just LOVE to talk! Heheheheheh :)

William

Also, folks, a couple of "bloopers" that were not intentional! Ever notice, when Kirk is walking with Edith Keeler down the street, that they walk right past "Floyd's barber shop"??? That's right, it was filmed on the Mayberry street in the "40 acres backlot" location where they filmed the "Andy Griffith" show! :)



Also, in "Shore Leave", in one of the shots, you can actually see telephone poles in the background, way up on a hill! I don't have a screengrab, but the site that I was on, said if you check the video, you can clearly see them!

Enjoy, William

That 40 acres backlot is also where they filmed The Adventures of Superman with George Reeves.

The sets for ALL Trek series (any series, really) were broken down after filming for the series ended..


EVERYTHING from Forbidden Planet was used over and over in the old TWILIGHT ZONE series.

The computer in DESK SET was reused on VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA.

Old programs were not thought to have any life... the same with old films... hence studios cannibalized past productions for future efforts.

When they made the film SERENITY they had to recreate the TV series sets from stills. Gilmore Girls was filmed on the same street set used for KINGS ROW.

Well, don't forget it is a business, and anything that cuts down on cost is considered a good thing. Preserving material for museums and such is not even a blip on the radar. It is all about cost effectiveness, period.

EVERYTHING from Forbidden Planet was used over and over in the old TWILIGHT ZONE series.


Speaking of which - have they destroyed the actual flying saucer model in INVADERS episode or did they make another one?

Just a quick note. All links in the Star Trek The Next Generation Collection thread have now been reupped. Grab 'em while they're hot, I do not plan on doing this again for some time. I will be reupping the Enterprise links next. I will not, however, be reupping any TOS material. The new box set renders them pretty much moot and I deleted everything but the box from my library. As I have said, I am not taking requests for the box set anymore. I have pm'ed around 200 copies, and so I am done with that now. Requests posted here will be ignored, and pm requests will be deleted with no response. I will be happy to post it when or if Sanico says it can be.

Just a quick note. All links in the Star Trek The Next Generation Collection thread have now been reupped. Grab 'em while they're hot, I do not plan on doing this again for some time. I will be reupping the Enterprise links next. I will not, however, be reupping any TOS material. The new box set renders them pretty much moot and I deleted everything but the box from my library. As I have said, I am not taking requests for the box set anymore. I have pm'ed around 200 copies, and so I am done with that now. Requests posted here will be ignored, and pm requests will be deleted with no response. I will be happy to post it when or if Sanico says it can be.

Thank You Amanda for all your effort and time spent on this project! a well deserved hug and even bigger THANK YOU!

Scott

Thanks as always Amanda!!!

Speaking of which - have they destroyed the actual flying saucer model in INVADERS episode or did they make another one?

I have done a little search on the model from "The Invaders" and found nothing about it or what happened to it!! as for QM Productions was sold three times before="Republic and CBS Television Studios own ancillary rights to all of QM's library except Twelve O'Clock High (owned by 20th Television), Banyon and The F.B.I. (the latter two of which are owned by both the Martin estate and Warner Bros. Television), with CBS Television Distribution handling TV distribution and Paramount Home Entertainment/CBS DVD handling DVD distribution." Howard Anderson Company did the SFX for the show, but I doubt they would keep the model after the show was canceled, so for all we know it may be sitting on someone's coffee table, setting in a warehouse at MGM or sadly it is gone forever!

Scott

Is Verisimilitude's collection still up somewhere?

The dvd rips, the complete score stuff. I know he has done some DS9, Voyager and Next Gen by now. I know some was posted @ Bolt, but I dunno if the links are active. They were in Izbot's thread, but he seems to be a lot less active these days.

Trying to put some of the music that is not in the correct order in the official release in the correct order.

I have done a little search on the model from "The Invaders" and found nothing about it or what happened to it!! as for QM Productions was sold three times before="Republic and CBS Television Studios own ancillary rights to all of QM's library except Twelve O'Clock High (owned by 20th Television), Banyon and The F.B.I. (the latter two of which are owned by both the Martin estate and Warner Bros. Television), with CBS Television Distribution handling TV distribution and Paramount Home Entertainment/CBS DVD handling DVD distribution." Howard Anderson Company did the SFX for the show, but I doubt they would keep the model after the show was canceled, so for all we know it may be sitting on someone's coffee table, setting in a warehouse at MGM or sadly it is gone forever!

Scott

No, no, no. Not the TV show. An episode of Twilight Zone that has the same name. They reused the flying saucer model from Forbidden Planet and at one point the main character of the story destroys it with a hatchet:



Here's the whole episode:
http://www.123video.nl/playvideos.asp?MovieID=837128