Yes, Joe, you are correct about that, but I did have two posts over here totally disappear, and the thread went from 11 pages back to 10!!!! (insert Twilight zone music here) Hehehehehe :)



William

My first Star Trek Soundtrack was "Star Trek II". In germany in the early 80s it was very difficult to get ANY Soundtrack. And I was such a fan of John Williams, Bernard Hermann and many more. I was so happy to get that one and played it the whole day. My sister said, Horner�s music would be like "Hunting Horn Fanfares", but when I listened to the music, I was able to "see" the good Enterprise in my imagination.

The music of TOS TV series was very, very good and the first album (of the TV series music) I got in germany was the music of the pilot episode. I was frustrated! Later I found also the music of the Corbomite Maneuveur, Charlie X and others. Some of THAT tunes show for me the ESSENE of Star Trek (music). So I am very excited for the TOS Box.

Sorry if I may write a little too "german" english. I follow this forum since quite a while and it makes fun to read, so I just thought,... it would be time to say something, too. ;)

Your English is Fine shran! and welcome to the peanut gallery.

Scott

If they have a problem with people up-loading, then I think they should make them a lot cheaper so everyone could afford to buy them!

Your English is Fine shran! and welcome to the peanut gallery.

Scott

Thank you , Scotty ;)

In the case of the "Ron Jones Project" they - later - published the CDs as mp3-Download at Amazon. For instance here: Amazon.com: The Defector: The Stand-Off: Ron Jones: MP3 Downloads (http://www.amazon.com/The-Defector-Stand-Off/dp/B004T9C8NK/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1355215434&sr=8-7&keywords=ron+jones+star+trek) and I have gotten some of the CDs via this download. I have paid for it, because I think that is okay. I have "only" the music, but that is adequate to the money I am earning via my job. I can live with this solution.

With publishing the TOS box ONLY in this expensive box, they boost the wish to download illegal uploads. Thats just logical, as a vulkan friend of mine would say. ;)

Well, I will order the first CD of the "Label X" soundtrack - so I will have at last a taste of tos ;) Until now I have only the GNP and Varese CDs.

A new radio interview for your consideration:

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Posted: Dec 8, 2012 - 9:36 PM
By: Joe Sikoryak (Member)

Jeff Bond does another interview on the ST Collection, this time on the enjoyably erudite Movies on the Radio with host David Garland on New York's WQXR classical station. There will be plenty of discussion of the music and plenty of samples as well. This show will be up for a few weeks, and I recommend checking out previous episodes as well:

WQXR - New York's Classical Music Radio Station (http://www.wqxr.org/#!/programs/movies/)
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Jeff Bond at his best, showing his fascination and geekiness (again!) for trek tos music. And they are playing A LOT of new clips from the set, many of them not published before! So if you are waiting for your set, or just want to hear even more clips, you may want to download this radio show!

do you know how I can download this radio show ?

Thanks!!

If they have a problem with people up-loading, then I think they should make them a lot cheaper so everyone could afford to buy them!

Speaking of which - anyone know why soundtrack discs are more expensive than DVD movies/TV shows?

do you know how I can download this radio show ?

Thanks!!

I use downloadhelper, that's a free app you can install into your browser (you can google it). As soon as the audio stream starts, downloadhelper offers you the direct download option onto your drive! (Direct download from the WQXR seems not possible, apparently.)

Amazing how "cleaned up" the Cage and WNMHGB sounds from the original 1980s release - thank you technology!

Amazing how "cleaned up" the Cage and WNMHGB sounds from the original 1980s release - thank you technology!

Yes, but that's due to the fact that in the 80ies, GNP Crescendo didn't have the same source as La-La-Land now had, but rather tapes of lesser quality, as I have learned. The later releases by GNP (Vol. 2 + 3, the "Best of" clips) were based on the same sources like what La-La-Land had, though. They were better than vol. 1, but couldn't reach the quality of this new set, apparently - due to lesser technology, as you said!

If they have a problem with people up-loading, then I think they should make them a lot cheaper so everyone could afford to buy them!

Do you have any idea how much licensing fees cost? And anyway, this just sounds like justification. You want to be a pirate, fine. Have the balls to admit it instead of playing the victim card.

Speaking of which - anyone know why soundtrack discs are more expensive than DVD movies/TV shows?

Simple economics; licensing fees and production expenses versus projected sales.

Contrary to seemingly popular belief, soundtracks (particularly score CDs) aren't big sellers and never have been. Minority interest products demand higher prices to offset costs. Ironically, piracy decreases sales meaning prices must increase more to maintain income. When income is less than costs, labels go bankrupt and releases stop happening.

Simple economics; licensing fees and production expenses versus projected sales.

Contrary to seemingly popular belief, soundtracks (particularly score CDs) aren't big sellers and never have been. Minority interest products demand higher prices to offset costs. Ironically, piracy decreases sales meaning prices must increase more to maintain income. When income is less than costs, labels go bankrupt and releases stop happening.

Ah.

Though it's bit difficult to say if piracy does that. I mean, there's no data that shows how many people that download item X can afford it and how many people can't.

Well, the original Crescendo tapes came from a VERY dubious source......



ME!! (hehehehehe)

Actually, that is true, in a manner of speaking. I got those tapes from a guy who was not very trustworthy, and they could have been actually a 3rd, 4th, or even 5th generation copy from what LALALAND has!
He was the same guy who grabbed the LAST episode vocals track out of the trash at Paramount, that was turned into the "Star Trek Bloopers' record! He had done alot of shady deals in the 70's and early 80's and then he totally disappeared, and nobody heard from him, or had seen him since. Perhaps one of his "Customers" had enough of his BS, and let him "Sleep with the fishies" Hehehehehe

William

Well, the original Crescendo tapes came from a VERY dubious source......



ME!! (hehehehehe)

Actually, that is true, in a manner of speaking. I got those tapes from a guy who was not very trustworthy, and they could have been actually a 3rd, 4th, or even 5th generation copy from what LALALAND has!
He was the same guy who grabbed the LAST episode vocals track out of the trash at Paramount, that was turned into the "Star Trek Bloopers' record! He had done alot of shady deals in the 70's and early 80's and then he totally disappeared, and nobody heard from him, or had seen him since. Perhaps one of his "Customers" had enough of his BS, and let him "Sleep with the fishies" Hehehehehe

William

Or he is in the State Pen doing 30 for stealing from Paramounts dumpsters LOL

Well, if he is, then it's just a matter of time until they catch ME! Hehehehehe. You can never tell! :)

William

What I am saying is that some soundtracks are so exspensive that some people just can not afford them and have to resort to download, I do download just like the next person, but I rather buy the originals, just as I own a copy of this new TOS boxset soundtrack, and other 600 soundtrack originals too, so I would be greatful If you would reframe from calling me a pirate thank you, So you have never downloaded before???

Well, if he is, then it's just a matter of time until they catch ME! Hehehehehe. You can never tell! :)

William

If you hear the sirens hide under the table LOL

What I am saying is that some soundtracks are so exspensive that some people just can not afford them and have to resort to download, I do download just like the next person, but I rather buy the originals, just as I own a copy of this new TOS boxset soundtrack, and other 600 soundtrack originals too, so I would be greatful If you would reframe from calling me a pirate thank you, So you have never downloaded before???

Of course. I'm also a pirate. If you aren't, why are you on this site? Just man up and admit it.

My set arrived today. :) Smaller than I thought it would be; I was going to put it into 6-disc amaray cases with custom art, but I may just leave it in the jewel boxes.

Stinkor, are you by any chance going to scan the artwork??? :)

William

I also prefer original soundtracks. Nevertheless the market does not always give us, what we want and if, too expensive, indeed. Well, I assume there is not so much more really new music. It will certainly repeat and repeat itself. Does it or not?

It does not. It presents NO tracked music. Only the. original compositions that were later reused.

This thread seems to have moved to, "I got the set, it's awesome!" or "It's too expensive, I wish I could buy it!"

Well, I am VERY happy that most of the people who have rec'd their sets are delighted with them! :)

This is very important for me, so that we can all support LALALAND, in the wake of the announcement that FSM is closing it's doors!?!?!?!


We have to support who is left, so that we can continue to get this great music!

Thanks all! William

That's terrible news about FSM.

The Kirk that never happened - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADof_PWg7RE)

What the.... THEY ACTUALLY FILMED PILOT FOR PHASE II?!?!?!? 8O

EDIT:
Never mind. Just read the comments. It's actually from something unrelated to Star Trek.

Why is FSM closing? I never heard the reason. Thanks,

HR Pufnstuf

It was reported earlier this year or last, it is not a surprise thing. I am not sure of the actual reason given though. But this has been in the works for a while.

The FSM label will cease to exist, not the online magazine.

The FSM label will cease to exist, not the online magazine.

This is a real shame--I'm hearing about it for the first time myself. I'm glad their online presence will continue, though.

Okay, gang, I need a small favor here. I had a recording, on a cassette MANY yarens ago, of a parody of the TOS Star Trek theme, but the woman singing, was actually LAUGHING, and it was the funniest thing that I had ever heard. I thought that it was on the "Star Trek Comedy album", but I cannot find it anywhere. I have done searches online and Youtube with no success. Does anyone have it?

Many Thanks, William

William . I have had a look on you tube and cant find anything .... the only parody i know is start trekkin !!

Star Trek The Original Series Season 2 Disc 1 Part 2 Friday's Child:

1. Alexander Courage - Main Title (soprano version) (1:05)
2. Gerald Fried - Ship/Capella IV (1:11)
3. Gerald Fried - Captain's Log (2:08)
4. Gerald Fried - Klingon Ship/Music for Fruits/The Teer (1:27)
5. Gerald Fried - The Challenge/Klingon Blip (1:10)
6. Gerald Fried - Distress Signal (1:44)
7. Gerald Fried - Arm Barbeque/Slow Turn/Call of Duty (0:58)
8. Gerald Fried - Scott/Bones' Good Idea/Capellan Desert (2:17)
9. Gerald Fried - Belly Feeler (2:14)
10. Gerald Fried - Sonic Ambush/Bouncing Boulder (1:03)
11. Gerald Fried - Kras on the Rocks/Paternity Case/New Capellan in Town (1:44)
12. Gerald Fried - Negative Report/Old Russian Saying/The Mother Splits (1:35)
13. Gerald Fried - The Baby Sitter/Road Hog (0:46)
14. Gerald Fried - Down the Throat (1:14)
15. Gerald Fried - Arrows (1:31)
16. Gerald Fried - Forfeit (1:33)
17. Gerald Fried - Coochy Coo/Godfathers (0:43)
18. Alexander Courage - End Title (soprano version) (0:46)


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I really wish that you would not post the new TOS music here, PLEASE! Last thing we want, or need is LALALAND clamping down on this site, since we know that their people are watching our every post! Let some other site get shut down for violating copyright, this site is TOO precious to alot of people. Please understand, and cooperate, please!

I have even removed the stuff that I had posted before, as it was now not needed, since the new stuff is so clean, and also that it violated LALALANDs copyright on this new release!

Many Thanks,

William

Many Thanks Faleel - but maybe links by request in pm?


Nice sampling of bits from the ep

Geeeeesus, People, let LALALAND cash in their money before you upload, they damn well deserve it!

I think it's also worth noting that he hasn't even provided a whole disc yet... So it's not exactly out of hand at this point.

It's also worth pointing out that many of us who usually post, or offer via pm, are not doing that, not even myself. And you all know how I usually feel about that. So that should be a big clue right there.

I have to admit to disagreeing to this. I am not going to be able to afford purchasing this excellent bit of music before the limited release runs out, so someone is going to have to post it for download for me to get it. I'm trying to wait patiently for it, but my eagerness to get this is overriding my patience. Seeing calls to not post it at all is not making me particularly happy. It doesn't have to be posted in ultra-high quality. I can't tell the difference between any of the various mp3 qualities and flac.

Grrrrr.... Double post

Sigh...

+ or - 1 ???

Well, I can hear the difference between MP3 and FLAC. But, even more importantly than that . . . I can hear the difference between 6000 copies being sold out (and paid for) within a few months (worst case), and total greed on the part of the original licensors (including CBS and Paramount).

Do not get me wrong, music rights and royalties are an important part of the music business. But when we are talking about 45 year old music (which has been hoarded) that is pivotal to the lives of so many people, inspired by the brilliant music and stories that are Star Trek: The Original Series, you might as well try to contain the Mona Lisa from being disseminated! Or what about Mozart or Bach (on YouTube)??

No one is indicating that they would not purchase this 15-disc collection IF they had the money. And, in fact, it is fair to say that anyone truly interested in owning the full 15-disc Collectors Box set WILL purchase it . . . even if the entire set is available online. That is true of any product, where the original issue is valued. But it is also fair to point out that NO one (1) man or Corporation owns Star Trek, in spite of international copyright law, that says to the contrary. We ALL own Star Trek!!!

And Gene Roddenberry would be the first to point out how NONE of the original actors, crew, composers, nor musicians EVER made any real money over this GREAT music, even after the 6000 copies have sold out. Please remember how many times you've heard all (or some) of this music, in your head, at one time or another!

And here is a legitimate sample, from La-La Land Records:

http://www.johndadlez.com/MP3/TrekTVShow/S3_D1_14_BM.mp3

Gene wouldn't be in a position to claim otherwise, since he hijacked 50% of the credit for the main theme from Alexander Courage in perpetuity! what a guy. but back to the topic.

If I had the money, I'd have the cd's sitting somewhere in my room having been ripped with itunes so I could listen to it on my computer or ipod. However, I don't and won't, being currently unemployed. Hence my eagerness for this to be shared. By the time I have a new job, the set will be sold out. So I will continue to wait more-or-less patiently for someone who does have the funds to buy it to share it.

Unfortunately it will be a while before there will be any uploads of the set, I'd say at least 3-4 months down the line. Just be patient, all good things come to those who wait.

Well, I can hear the difference between MP3 and FLAC. But, even more importantly than that . . . I can hear the difference between 6000 copies being sold out (and paid for) within a few months (worst case), and total greed on the part of the original licensors (including CBS and Paramount).

I can hear justification for piracy too. :) LLL did a shitload of work putting this together. They deserve to be paid for it.

I have to admit to disagreeing to this. I am not going to be able to afford purchasing this excellent bit of music before the limited release runs out, so someone is going to have to post it for download for me to get it. I'm trying to wait patiently for it, but my eagerness to get this is overriding my patience. Seeing calls to not post it at all is not making me particularly happy. It doesn't have to be posted in ultra-high quality. I can't tell the difference between any of the various mp3 qualities and flac.

Well look. IF I were to post the mp3 320 set I have, I would make a new thread, and not post here. I am not refraining because of the "agreement" made here, or any respect for LLL. I simply do not feel like making 30 links for the set. Upping them and posting will take a while. And we ALL know the links will be reported and deleted before I am even finished. I do not intend to dedicate myself to keeping a revolving set of links active. Much the same reason I have not, and for now will not, share via pm. It is just too big a set for me to deal with right now. I am still busy cleaning up the tagging and such anyway.

But considering the views expressed here, and not naming names, we all know some will go out of their way to report links. So, it kinda feels like there is no point at the moment. That, and folks who share with me don't want it posted, so if I do, I will not get stuff from them....soooo...

IF I were to post the mp3 320 set I have, I would make a new thread , and not post here.

And if someone does post it (hopefully many months from now), this is exactly how it should be done. This is William's thread after all.

Do not get me wrong, music rights and royalties are an important part of the music business ....

The sense of law is to civilize people where they would otherwise behave to the disadvantage of others. And like everything else law has been perverted to undermine those efforts. That makes it a bad basis for a discussion like this.
No, we are talking emotions here, purely. Some folks spent hours and hours bringing this music to us, some of it organizing, some of it business, some of it monetary and some of it editing "sweat". They could have put their effort into an undertaking that might have made them the same amount of money (like putting some CGI crap into a Star Wars movie for an excuse to again screen it in the cinemas), but they didn't. They choose something they love, giving it their love. They deserve recognition like any skillfull people do. Recognition and respect and a slap on the back "well done".

Making it "limited" now thats a proven marketing method i hate. We are in the age of cloud computing and downloading songs individually. They might as well have make all of us subscribe to purchasing their music track by track for a very low individual fee. On the other hand, again the emotional side, they are putting something out monolithic and when was the last time you saw something like that from the music industry. The content being a monolith, no the marketing. It's so old time, it's admirable. The future of any media production is legal file sharing per buck. Its the method of distribution in the 21st century surpassing the material world almost alltogether. The work behind it, the creative effort will always stay the same: Human endeavors. Distribution, CDs, DVDs, BluRays, Celluloid, that was yesterday. And there is only money in it because they scare people and making them feel bad getting it otherwise. But it is the industries that ultimately will have to adapt. Imagine that Intrada was Megaupload. Completely disenchanted from the content they provide. Just service to get any kind of data. Now imagine that legally. All Soundtrack labels pulling together and becoming a subscription based megaupload for the masses. This is were the money is: In the penny and the cent you get from the masses. The recognition whe attach to an individual product of those who only co- or post-produce will dwindle most likely. And that's exactly the reason why we need to stay concious about it and honor, respect and recognize the people who are behind it all. Most of them are invisible to us anyways. But we must remember them.

I will point out to those pining for this, that just because it is not posted, and we are not taking requests, that does not mean it is not being shared. And in a case like that, it is only a matter of time before someone puts it up.....

Over at HobbyTalk I mention that I could not afford the set, and this is what Jeff Bond told me,

"I'm sure the set will be around for a while--$220 is a lot of money, but it's not a bad deal (when we announced the set, people were guessing the price would be between $300-$500).
This is the only chance to get ALL the music put together like this. GNP/Crescendo Records still holds the rights to all the scores they put out previously (the two pilots, Doomsday Machine/Amok Time, Naked Time/Shore Leave, Tribbles, Balance of Terror and What Are Little Girls Made of?), so even if LLL wanted to do another release or break the set up into individual CDs, they could not put out those scores. The set has sold very well but they did a fairly large pressing for this kind of release so I would think sets would still be available by spring or possibly next summer."

Never said it was a bad deal, it is a very reasonable price actually. But $200 is two months of insulin. Even saving up here and there, I just can't do a set like this. Many of us can't. But never say it is an unreasonable deal, cause it's not.

All in all it is not a bad price, and for me Social Security Disability just ain't enough money to go around as my only income. I'm still trying to justify the extra cost to get DSL, and get off this S...L...O...W dial-up.

I have to admit to disagreeing to this. I am not going to be able to afford purchasing this excellent bit of music before the limited release runs out, so someone is going to have to post it for download for me to get it. I'm trying to wait patiently for it, but my eagerness to get this is overriding my patience. Seeing calls to not post it at all is not making me particularly happy. It doesn't have to be posted in ultra-high quality. I can't tell the difference between any of the various mp3 qualities and flac.

Nor can I. I live in a country where crime rates are insane and economy is practically in ruins. Even if I could somehow gather the money for the set, I'd also need lots of money for customs taxes. I'd probably end up paying 400$ in total if not even more.

We just have to wait so they won't be able to go "OH, THAT EEEEEVIL PIIIIIRAAAAACY IS KILLIN' UUUSSSS!!!".

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Ok.I said earlier in this thread i would post mp3 of this the second I got it, and I have apparently lied about that, since I have not posted it. And so I am feeling..unsettled about this issue. I have dear friends on both sides of this divide, and I don't want to offend any of them. But here's what is rubbing me the wrong way, if I may explain.

Anytime I have ever wanted an item, and asked, there have been numerous, numerous people more than happy to track it down, no questions or strings attached. I am so very grateful for that. But then here is a desire, from most of those same kind members, for an item I have. All packed and mostly linked. But I am not posting it. And I dunno why. I dunno why I shouldn't. I mean putting all aspects of the legality/respect for LLL and such aside. I am not holding back because of any of those. This is an amazing set, even at 320. I **want** it shared. I could care less if it is by me or someone else. But not letting folks have the thing they want when I have it is sitting very wrong with me. I am asking my friends their thoughts, and if 320 could be considered a acceptable compromise? The share via pm thing will take too much time, that i do not want to deal with. So I am asking your thoughts. I asked some mods their thoughts (Because they are wise and respected friends. I hope to make a decision by tonight, unless soneone esle wants to step up and do it...

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320 would be a HUGE gift, considering the cost of the set. Hopefully more will share the same perspective.

Well, I agree with Amanda, all three times, hehehehehe

This is the reason that I share what I have, because so many don't have what I have, and "getting it out there" is paramount in my mind (see the clever way I inserted the name of the studio?) hehehehe

That being said, I just wanted to add that this is the HOLY GRAIL of TREK music, and as such, it is important for us to support the company that finally got the balls to bring them all out to the Trek fans worldwide! This was the line that Neil plied me with, when he wanted to bring out the first album, and the SFX, but he was just interested in how much money he made!

I was thinking the other night about a story from old Europe. It seems that there was a dragon that had a ton of gold coins hidden in a cave, and she coveted the gold SO much, without any good reason. She went out and killed humans to get more and more, until the cave was overflowing with coins. She was very happy and content, until one day, a wizard, who had learned how to change lead into gold, totally blew her mind, seeing that her large supply of gold was now meaningless!

I thought of that in the same vein as Neil, since he had hoarded those TOS tapes for over 20 years, and now they are inferior to the new masters that LALALAND has brought out. I also think that whatever their agreement with the studio is, it should override any former agreement that Neil had with the studio, since LALALAND is using the master source, and neil was using a copy of those.

Nuff said.

Williamt

Yes william I agree, I bought all the original GNP cresendo releases as well as all the NG stuff , and although I would love to purchase the new box set , its price is out of my reach for the time being ....

between this set at 320 and the upcoming dr who xmas special, that's my xmas in the bag. seriously. my family can take a break. well okay, i take that back, i could use some new slippers. if they're in the shape of something that no self-respecting middle aged man should be seen wearing on his feet, even better!

BUNNY Slippers!!!! Hehehehehehe :)

William

do they make cthulhu slippers? that would rock.

I'd also appreciate 320 very much! That would really make my Christmas :)

Never said it was a bad deal, it is a very reasonable price actually. But $200 is two months of insulin. Even saving up here and there, I just can't do a set like this. Many of us can't. But never say it is an unreasonable deal, cause it's not.

it's a great deal, i think. but it's still well out of my budget. i have a 4 year old boy and a wife that only works part time. she even was willing to work extra this month to afford it for me, but i told her no, i didn't want her to have to do that just to get something for my selfish ass.

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and that said, for the time being i am happy to just have it in mp3. if, down the road, i can afford it and there are still copies available, then i will most certainly get a set to display on my shelf, right next to my sisko in TOS gold shirt action figure :laugh:

also, if anyone IS worried about it selling out before they can afford it, i wouldn't count out lalaland pressing more copies to meet demand. isn't that what happened with the batman animated series album?

Ok.I said earlier in this thread i would post mp3 of this the second I got it, and I have apparently lied about that, since I have not posted it. And so I am feeling..unsettled about this issue. I have dear friends on both sides of this divide, and I don't want to offend any of them. But here's what is rubbing me the wrong way, if I may explain.

Anytime I have ever wanted an item, and asked, there have been numerous, numerous people more than happy to track it down, no questions or strings attached. I am so very grateful for that. But then here is a desire, from most of those same kind members, for an item I have. All packed and mostly linked. But I am not posting it. And I dunno why. I dunno why I shouldn't. I mean putting all aspects of the legality/respect for LLL and such aside. I am not holding back because of any of those. This is an amazing set, even at 320. I **want** it shared. I could care less if it is by me or someone else. But not letting folks have the thing they want when I have it is sitting very wrong with me. I am asking my friends their thoughts, and if 320 could be considered a acceptable compromise? The share via pm thing will take too much time, that i do not want to deal with. So I am asking your thoughts. I asked some mods their thoughts (Because they are wise and respected friends. I hope to make a decision by tonight, unless soneone esle wants to step up and do it...

Why not share at a lower bitrate? That way those who want the best quality have to purchase the set, and those who want to hear (perhaps prior to purchasing) or who would like the set but would never purchase get "a version" but not the "best version". Gotta be frank, the set is mainly in mono so 320 doesn't make that much difference!

honestly, i listen to a lot of older scores anyway, and i can't tell the difference between 192 and 320. that said, i'm glad that it was shared in 320, and i appreciate the work of the original rippers and uploaders, but i would have happily taken any bitrate.

I would be eternally gratefull if this was shared at 320 or any lower bit rate. As I previously mentioned If I had the money, which converts to �150+ over here in the UK, it's just too much for me, which is a darn shame as I want it so much, and I would buy it in a heartbeat. I totally support LLL for all their efforts and work.

I had fully intended on buying the set, but things didn't work out as I had planned. Hoping there are some still available in the new year or, if it sells out, they might make a second run. A copy in 320 would be fantastic, though. :)

Why not share at a lower bitrate? That way those who want the best quality have to purchase the set, and those who want to hear (perhaps prior to purchasing) or who would like the set but would never purchase get "a version" but not the "best version". Gotta be frank, the set is mainly in mono so 320 doesn't make that much difference!

Because I converted the original flac to 320. I don't want to convert that down further. I am just feeling the waters, looking to see what I want to do.

I was going to mention doing it at a lower bitrate, maybe 192 or even 160. Even 128 would be idea, since it would allow a lot of people to hear the set, but at the same time they'd still want to get the set for high quality sound (not to mention the booklets and packaging make it all worth it).

[Forget I was ever here, folks.]

Thanks very much :-)

Before the set was released, I was ripping the audio from the DVDs, since I could remove most dialog, and listened to the music and effects. I never noticed the reuse of music from the earlier episodes, when watching my favorite episodes. So, now I understand why music from some of my favorite episodes are not in the set.
It would make no sense to have duplicate tracks and cues, and just think how large the set would have been, if they did. Also, think of the FUN it will be, IF you were to take the cues, and piece them together. I need some aspirin just thinking of it.

I'm honestly confused as to everyone's stubbornness to upload and share this release. Go look at EVERY other thread on this site and as soon as someone has bought or received a copy of a disc, they've ripped it, packed it and uploaded it for sharing - it's why this forum exists! Even The three disc ST:TMP soundtrack from a few months ago was available for download in near instant time. So what makes this release so special?

I fully understand that it's a limited release. I fully understand the reasons why it's so damn expensive. What I don't understand is why everyone here seems hesitant or even outright opposed to the idea of sharing this music with their fellow Star Trek and music fans.

Why is it apparently OK to share the score for The Hobbit but not ST:TOS?

Because a few hundred pirated copies of The Hobbit won't put Peter Jackson or Howard Shore out on the streets, living in a cardboard box for Christmas.

I'm honestly confused as to everyone's stubbornness to upload and share this release. Go look at EVERY other thread on this site and as soon as someone has bought or received a copy of a disc, they've ripped it, packed it and uploaded it for sharing - it's why this forum exists! Even The three disc ST:TMP soundtrack from a few months ago was available for download in near instant time. So what makes this release so special?

I fully understand that it's a limited release. I fully understand the reasons why it's so damn expensive. What I don't understand is why everyone here seems hesitant or even outright opposed to the idea of sharing this music with their fellow Star Trek and music fans.

Why is it apparently OK to share the score for The Hobbit but not ST:TOS?
Because there are people who can afford it but will opt for the free option and because of such people they will actually lose money.

Lalaland needs support in any way possible. They're willing to release (complete) soundtracks that no one else wanted to release AND in best possible quality, the way it was as you heard it on the big screen or on your TV screen. That deserves both support and respect.



I hope this community shows some humanity for once

There's no need to dramatize like that.

And not being able to afford something doesn't mean you barely have enough for a freaking loaf a bread! If you can spend money on various things without giving it a second thought, good for you.

I completely understand why those who laid out the dough for the purchase would be hesitant to share, but nevertheless I hope it is shared eventually - love what I've heard so far (not working since Jan, my SOB story) --

[Forget I was ever here, folks.]

:) No worries, copies ARE getting out there, slowly but surely. :awsm:

Thanks very much :-)








/ Thanks for what? No one is posting it openly, and you need at least 5 posts if anyone is to pm you.

Was that a hint? If not, ignore my post please.


I'm torn on the issue. I'd love to have the set and I can't afford it right now but, (I'm new and don't know the details) I know there was a big fuss over the Next Gen set being shared so soon after release that caused FSM releases to get blacklisted. I just don't want to see the same happen to LLL releases.

I genuinely am puzzled by this "Let's not share, even though this forum is all about sharing" attitude. Please, don't get me wrong, I'm not bending over on hands and knees begging for a copy, I simply don't understand the reluctance of those who have copies to share with those who are in a worse financial position or simply live in another country. Yes, I am fully aware of the fact that there are people out there who could afford this yet don't in the hope that someone will upload and instantly save them $230. That's less money for Lalaland/CBS/Paramount/Whoever else gets a cut. But it seems odd to me that it seems to be OK for people to share everything else - old comic books, technical drawings, magazines AND soundtracks - without a care in the world as to who is affected, yet nobody wants to share this because it may put Lalaland out of business. It just smells like hypocrisy to me.

Hopefully, I've not offended anyone with these comments as it is most certainly not my intent. I simply am curious as to people's opinions on this subject and why they seem so adamant not to share this, but will happily share anything else.

I have this - I got it today which surprised me because I'm in the UK. I won't share it because my own 'morals' such as they are really make me feel uncomfortable sharing something that is limited until the run is gone, it might not make any sense but that's it for me. I have downloaded limited releases but usually to see if I will buy it and if I like it I will if I don't then I delete it from my hard drive. This is such a big release - I guess if the this had been a staggered set of 2 or 3 CD sets then it would be shared but this probably represents a big gamble on La-La Land's part and in my opinion if it 'fails' then it stops them taking that risk again with other shows or projects.

My other, probably much more practical reason for never sharing this is the time that it takes. I've had this for 14 hours and am only now ripping the 6th Disc, I have had to tag all but one and as they are all around 30 tracks each that takes time. Elderly fingers etc. There may bae a magic site that does this for me but if there is I don't know about it. Anyway, the time that it would take me to load 15 CD's to a file sharing site would be a lot. I uploaded some soundtracks recently and that took me about 4 hours to upload. So 15 Discs - I don't really have the time. On a personal level I find that in many cases the people that are requesting discs and soundtracks possibly haven't shared anything themselves - and I only mention that because if that is the case then they might not know how much hassle it can be. On another personal note my recent nthread has attracted loads of visitors and many, many downloads and the thread had a few responses that were basically asking me to load to another site because the one that I chose didn't suit them, or whining because they had to wait for a slot and do on and so forth. I don't want / expect / need everyone to say thanks - I don't thank every person that I download from but I personally won't be putting the work and time into uploading 15 discs so that people can ask for Flac, reuploads to a different site and so on and so forth.

By the time that I am comfortable in uploading it someone else will have - but those are my reasons for what they are worth.

Without trying to rub it in - the set so far is really good and has served in reigniting my slightly tarnished love of Star Trek - just hearing some of the themes and music has been a joy. The music will be there and will come to those who want it at some point so for those who can't or won't buy it I would say that the wait is worth it.

I am not trying to start a war about users and their own particular ways of working on the forum - and I am not signalling anyone out in particular - just giving my reasons.

On a personal level I find that in many cases the people that are requesting discs and soundtracks possibly haven't shared anything themselves - and I only mention that because if that is the case then they might not know how much hassle it can be. On another personal note my recent thread has attracted loads of visitors and many, many downloads and the thread had a few responses that were basically asking me to load to another site because the one that I chose didn't suit them, or whining because they had to wait for a slot and so on and so forth. I don't want / expect / need everyone to say thanks - I don't thank every person that I download from but I personally won't be putting the work and time into uploading 15 discs so that people can ask for Flac, re-uploads to a different site and so on and so forth.

I so agree with you on this - too many silent grabbers on here with no concept that sharing is a two-way process!

Pirate is a pirate is a pirate.

Free the music, share the moment

[Forget I was ever here, folks.]

There are several reasons why this should not be shared openly, mainly because of what it is, and because of who brought it to us. If you cannot afford it, please be patient, I'm sure that it will show up somewhere sometime. Another reason, for those of you who are new here, is because of a former TROLL member on the site by the name of GWENT. He has popped back up several times under various names and locations, he has the ability to chance his IP address to show him anywhere in the world, and this is a major thing for him. Anyone of you new members could be him with a new ID. But we should not stray from the real reason it should not be shared. With FSM fading out, LALALAND will be a major player in future scores, and we need to really support them, so that they can continue to bring us new goodies that we otherwise could not/would not have!

Please realize that this is really important and bear with us, please!

William

Good valid points, William. For me, I prefer to buy my CDs. Manufactured CDs I have never had problems with, but, burned CDs do become unreadable over time. So buying is my first choice, if I can find and afford them.

Pirate is a pirate is a pirate.

Free the music, share the moment

Thank you for sharing so generously over the years as well.

It's people like you that make this such a great site.

hre's the deal. I asked admin about posting. They asked me to please NOT post it openly right now, so for me, that is the end of the discussion. It is not a moral decision, it is honoring admin's request, simple as that. Now many of you know the deal, so no worries, eh?

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I have this - I got it today which surprised me because I'm in the UK. I won't share it because my own 'morals' such as they are really make me feel uncomfortable sharing something that is limited until the run is gone, it might not make any sense but that's it for me. I have downloaded limited releases but usually to see if I will buy it and if I like it I will if I don't then I delete it from my hard drive. This is such a big release - I guess if the this had been a staggered set of 2 or 3 CD sets then it would be shared but this probably represents a big gamble on La-La Land's part and in my opinion if it 'fails' then it stops them taking that risk again with other shows or projects.

My other, probably much more practical reason for never sharing this is the time that it takes. I've had this for 14 hours and am only now ripping the 6th Disc, I have had to tag all but one and as they are all around 30 tracks each that takes time. Elderly fingers etc. There may bae a magic site that does this for me but if there is I don't know about it. Anyway, the time that it would take me to load 15 CD's to a file sharing site would be a lot. I uploaded some soundtracks recently and that took me about 4 hours to upload. So 15 Discs - I don't really have the time. On a personal level I find that in many cases the people that are requesting discs and soundtracks possibly haven't shared anything themselves - and I only mention that because if that is the case then they might not know how much hassle it can be. On another personal note my recent nthread has attracted loads of visitors and many, many downloads and the thread had a few responses that were basically asking me to load to another site because the one that I chose didn't suit them, or whining because they had to wait for a slot and do on and so forth. I don't want / expect / need everyone to say thanks - I don't thank every person that I download from but I personally won't be putting the work and time into uploading 15 discs so that people can ask for Flac, reuploads to a different site and so on and so forth.

By the time that I am comfortable in uploading it someone else will have - but those are my reasons for what they are worth.

Without trying to rub it in - the set so far is really good and has served in reigniting my slightly tarnished love of Star Trek - just hearing some of the themes and music has been a joy. The music will be there and will come to those who want it at some point so for those who can't or won't buy it I would say that the wait is worth it.

I am not trying to start a war about users and their own particular ways of working on the forum - and I am not signalling anyone out in particular - just giving my reasons.

It took me two hours to upload all 15 at a 320 bit rate to a multi host site. Just saying. The thing is keeping those links alive, and no one wants to dedicate the next four months to re-upping every day.

It took me two hours to upload all 15 at a 320 bit rate to a multi host site. Just saying. The thing is keeping those links alive, and no one wants to dedicate the next four months to re-upping every day.

I am sure that other peoples upload times is different, my laptop is old and as I said my internet access is not that great at times - so I was just talking from my own experience in uploading the Merlin 3 and 4 that I did a week or so ago.

If I had the set, and with my dial-up, NO WAY! It take me 8 hours to download any file that is about 150 MB, if all conditions are right, or I will get most of it, and then another download time. Up load, I have never tried. SO, I am jealous!

hi,

what do you guys think about this kit of the u.s.s. enterprise?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhSe_N_3UTM

its good, i think.

I so agree with you on this - too many silent grabbers with no concept that sharing is a two-way process on here for my liking!

Yes, I'm with you there all the way.

It could be much bigger, like 11 foot!!! Hehehehehee :)

William

hi,

what do you guys think about this kit of the u.s.s. enterprise?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhSe_N_3UTM


its good, i think.

It appears to be okay, a little small for my tastes but if you don't have a lot of room then it will work. Personally I prefer a 11 footer studio grade model...but each to there own.

Scott

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It could be much bigger, like 11 foot!!! Hehehehehee :)

William

I'm with you there 100 percent William :)

Scott

hi,

what do you guys think about this kit of the u.s.s. enterprise?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhSe_N_3UTM

its good, i think.

I've got the kit and it's the best issue bar the polo lights 1/350.. to do it justice you can get laser etched parts and of course some lights! Unless you plan to do the USS Constellation :)

The 1/350 model and the 15 CD set ain't nothing, compared with September 8th 2016, STAR TREK TOS 50TH ANNIVERSARY! Then we will party like it's 1966.

The 1/350 model and the 15 CD set ain't nothing, compared with September 8th 2016, STAR TREK TOS 50TH ANNIVERSARY! Then we will party like it's 1966.

What's left for them to do? The cast's heads in jars?

With any luck most of those currently surviving will still be around in 2016...! ;)

What's left for them to do? The cast's heads in jars?

There's always bobblehead's ;) or has that been done yet?

Scott

You know us baby boomers are nostalgic suckers, and CBS/Paramount know that, too, so save, save, save!

Trek box set: Oops

Links appear to be good. Hurry.

Yes, yes hurry. For one, admin asked me not to post in the forum, so look for this to get reported and deleted.

For two, I gave links to the set in 320 to about 20 people, asked that those links please be kept private so they would survive longer. I have more than 70 hits PER LINK PER DISC in the set. So obviously, that is a done deal. PM system set to friends and admin only, no new contacts added. Happy Holidays me. I did not ask for anything in return, I gave freely, and only asked that new links be made were sharing to occrr. Silly me. :sad:

Why? Why, can't public post wait? Contrary to what a lot of people might think, the end of the world IS not going to happen, so waiting until next year, when the set should be sold out, to public post links is the only way to go. Then again, if you can, BUY IT!

Amanda, you are not silly, just kindhearted. Some take advantage of that. You need to find them and treat them like a http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/redshirt.gif.....http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/evillaugh.gif

Okay, Gang, I want to share a PM discussion that Soundtrekker and I are having. He reported that Lukas (from FSM) had reported that the 70 hours of TOS music came from a "Private collector", as did the first GNC TREK disc. Well, I can tell you that the first GNC disc came from my private tapes. I had the recording sessions (NOT the masters, but copies) of "The Cage", "Where no man..." and the SFX all on reel to reel, that I transferred to DAT at once, as soon as I got them! On the video from LALALAND, you can see some of their techs going into the Paramount "Vault" of recorded music, etc. so the possibility of that source being other than the studio itself is highly doubtful. Soundtrekker pointed out a good fact, that most private collectors don't have the ability to keep recordings like that in a proper environment to prevent any damage. Plus, a private collector would only have copies, like mine were. The fact that the studio lied to everyone back in the day is not too hard to accept, they lie all the time.
I'll tell you a story:
Back in the late 70's, early 80's, I went to a "Trek" convention here in LA, and met the young "Rod" Roddenberry, who was about 10 or 11, at that time. I had heard a story about how the original 3 foot Enterprise had been taken in a pool and destroyed, and the studio covered it up stating that some fans came into the offices at lunchtime, and took the 3 foot model out of Gene's office, and it has never been seen to this day! As I had posted on the other TREK thread, I had personally asked young Rod at that time, and he looked all guilty and told me that he had done that. However, the adult Rod totally denies this had ever happened. I spoke with a fellow named Kevin, who was living in Gene's poolhouse, and giving Majel every "exclusive" (if you know what I mean) and he verified that both the 3 foot Enterprise and the original Nomad model where stored in the garage. He described the model as being totally ruined, with the saucer splitting open from water damage, etc. Yet, Richard Arnold has told many people, in interviews (when he was not talking about how TREK was really about "Gay Rights") that the model was stolen by fans, dressed as telephone repairmen!!

Amazing back and forth BS!!!

In conclusion, let me tell you that I cannot believe that a private collector would have a massive vault in his house, with climate control and the lot!

I do not believe that two or three fanatic TREK fans could dress up as telephone repairmen, walk into the studio without any paperwork, and just go walking out the side gate with a three foot model of the Enterprise!!!

Just amazing! :)

William

Just out of idle curiosity, since the set cannot be posted for the time being, shouldn't this thread just be merged with the other, since we are now cross-talking the same things?

What's left for them to do? The cast's heads in jars?

Make a proper bluray release OOOOOOOOR a new Remastered version with CGI effects that actually look good. :)

I can confirm Williams clams, in the late seventy's I had a so called friend (the guy turned out to be a thief and is now living the life of a persona non grata in a desert in another state) that was able to get me and my best friend on the Paramount lot, but he had to know someone that worked there and the guard at the gate called him before we where even allowed through. There is no way anyone can walk out a side gate with a three foot model in there hands and the guards not see it or not stop them. Studio's lie all the time! it's a business!! and there job is to make money any way they can...by hook or by crook. If Paramount had that 3 foot model you can bet they would either have sold it at the auction several years ago or found a way to have it displayed to make money off of it...either way it's about money.

If I am not mistaken on the "Inside Star Trek Record" a fan asked Gene Roddenberry "why are there no gays in Star Trek" Gene's response was simple "Mankind Grew Up" so Star Trek had nothing to do with gay rights, as a matter of fact Gene did not agree with being gay...now that I have opened a can of Regulan bloodworm's, let the blood flow....(my purpose is not to hurt anyone but state the truth)

Scott

Scott

Oh, and I forgot to add, on the day AFTER Gene's death, Majel performed two tasks, she went to Paramount, fired Richard Arnold, and Susan Sackett (to whom Majel referred openly as "Susan Suck it") and she cleared away most of the TREK stuff out of her house, which included the 3 foot Enterprise and the Nomad full sized model! :(

I will tell you another little story later, about a friend of mine, who was babysitting Gene's dogs, while they were on vacation!

William

This might also be my fault, because I tried several hosters before I found one that worked for me and then my connection kicked me a few times so I had to restart some of the downloads. Sorry for that! Did you get my PMs?

AND..... I would LOVE to merge this thread with the other TREK thread, Amanda, if you could tell me how to do that! :)

William

I have learned so much about the history of TOS this week reading these post and the past one, all that I can say is....http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/spocksmiley.gif

I'm still searching for anybody who could share download links for this Star Trek 15cd box set via PM (if not visibly on this thread), but due to no luck and knowhow this message will be very wild scattershot also...

I'm from Europe and really can't afford to buy it from web like normally people will do, due to all the additional freight and customs taxes on top of the 220 dollars which was the approximate price of the boxset... If anyone could help me regarding this thing, please send me a message via PM or here...

Thanks in advance...

I can confirm Williams clams, in the late seventy's I had a so called friend (the guy turned out to be a thief and is now living the life of a persona non grata in a desert in another state) that was able to get me and my best friend on the Paramount lot, but he had to know someone that worked there and the guard at the gate called him before we where even allowed through. There is no way anyone can walk out a side gate with a three foot model in there hands and the guards not see it or not stop them. Studio's lie all the time! it's a business!! and there job is to make money any way they can...by hook or by crook. If Paramount had that 3 foot model you can bet they would either have sold it at the auction several years ago or found a way to have it displayed to make money off of it...either way it's about money.

If I am not mistaken on the "Inside Star Trek Record" a fan asked Gene Roddenberry "why are there no gays in Star Trek" Gene's response was simple "Mankind Grew Up" so Star Trek had nothing to do with gay rights, as a matter of fact Gene did not agree with being gay...now that I have opened a can of Regulan bloodworm's, let the blood flow....(my purpose is not to hurt anyone but state the truth)

Scott

Scott

There's no apostrophe in words that are plural - i.e. seventies, studios, bloodworms and the like. Also, please learn the difference between there, their and they're. This stuff is all basic and there's really no excuse for not knowing or using it.

There's no apostrophe in words that are plural - i.e. seventies, studios, bloodworms and the like. Also, please learn the difference between there, their and they're. This stuff is all basic and there's really no excuse for not knowing or using it.

Is this a grammar class now?

Please Professor English continue with your lecture.

Please stop pm'ing me for this set. Thanks to someone I gave it to, the links have started being deleted by hosts. When gone I will not make new links.

William, I was mostly kidding about merging. Apparently I need to have a disclaimer before making jokes now. But, if you really DO want to, only a moderator can do that. I'd suggest one, but my legal team tells me I am broaching some sort of metaphysical butthutness by doing so.

If any I gave the set to need a link that does not work, then pm me with the exact season and disc, and i will get it to you.

I get emails from Intrada On-Line Store on new releases, and as soon as I got the notice of THE set in the store, I went over to see their listing, it said sold out. Now that was fast!

Well then if it IS sold out, will there be more? If not, then will we be allowed to post this?

I don't know how many they got, and there is still LLL. So...no post, not yet.....if the world is ending tomorrow, why not.

There's no apostrophe in words that are plural - i.e. seventies, studios, bloodworms and the like. Also, please learn the difference between there, their and they're. This stuff is all basic and there's really no excuse for not knowing or using it.

Since no excuse will suffice, nor an apology excepted, I shell offer neither Sir...good day to you.

Scott

The world is still here, and it is the 1st day of Winter, so get a mug of hot cocoa, sit by the fire, and listen to music of the Voyages of the Starship Enterprise.

Make a proper bluray release OOOOOOOOR a new Remastered version with CGI effects that actually look good. :)

I love the blu-rays they released. I can't imagine them doing a better job. I find it ironic that someone who loves TOS would complain about effects looking bad.

The new ship shots are gorgeous

First of all, the post was directed at me, so if anyone is going to correct any grammar, or spelling, it should be ME!! (which I would never do, because it's RUDE!)

Secondly, Scotty, I don't have any clams, I really HATE clams, and don't like to eat them as they are all slimy and stinky when they slide down your throat! (YUK!!!)

Third, thank you very much Amanda, I didn't know it was a joke, since there was no "LOL" or :) or "Hehehehehe" after your joke, so sorry, I will kindly ask Jessie if he can do us a favor! :)

Lastly, PLEASE let's all be nice on the last day of creation, please? Since the world, and the whole Milky Way will be potted straight into an intergalactic black hole, in a universal game of pool at 8:13PM EST, (and thanks to Douglas Adams for the headsup on that one, :) ) Lets all walk into the life hereafter with a smile on our faces, knowing that we met oblivion after hearing all of the TOS music!

William

The new ship shots are gorgeous

Some shots, perhaps. But most don't look right. :(


I love the blu-rays they released. I can't imagine them doing a better job. I find it ironic that someone who loves TOS would complain about effects looking bad.

They could as the current TOS Bluray is just an upscalled DVD.

Well does it make sense to replace low budget old school effects with low budget CGI effects? Only planets ended up looking decent. Everything else... yuck!

Case in point:

-Original:


-Remastered:


(Note that they even botched the scale - use the spacing between the walls and the marker as reference. Also note the GIANT crew members in the control booth!)

Even fans are able to make better CGI. With 0 budget, I might add.

Remastered:


Fanmade:


As you can tell, the Remastered version has this odd plastic look to it.

Though I'd always prefer if they just build actual models like it was done for Trials and Tribble-Ations:

-DS9


-Remastered:


-DS9:


-Remastered:


I simply can't be satisfied unless the improvement is an actual improvement.

Lastly, PLEASE let's all be nice on the last day of creation, please? Since the world, and the whole Milky Way will be potted straight into an intergalactic black hole, in a universal game of pool at 8:13PM EST, (and thanks to Douglas Adams for the headsup on that one, :) ) Lets all walk into the life hereafter with a smile on our faces, knowing that we met oblivion after hearing all of the TOS music!

William

Oh crap, didn't know that! Holy shit [if you excuse the cursing, my dear friend!]!!! I'm sitting here, on my little, quiet planet Gothos, playing some nice tunes on my harpsicord, and I'm totally oblivious to this being the final day of this part of the universe. I think I may have overlooked those Maya culture when studying Earth - my bad! Okay, so then let's face the unknown, let's march to the tunes of victory and cameraderie!

(Now I've to hurry to be able to go through that amazing set of TOS music, before our destiny is meeting with us!)

The Squire of Gothos, at your service! :)

What bothered me most about the Remastered TOS was the movement of the ships. It just looked weird in some shots. It may have just been the fact that they were trying to keep it as close to the original as possible, but I still think the traditional use of a model would have been best. Oh well.

Oh, and I forgot to add, on the day AFTER Gene's death, Majel performed two tasks, she went to Paramount, fired Richard Arnold, and Susan Sackett (to whom Majel referred openly as "Susan Suck it") and she cleared away most of the TREK stuff out of her house, which included the 3 foot Enterprise and the Nomad full sized model! :(

I will tell you another little story later, about a friend of mine, who was babysitting Gene's dogs, while they were on vacation!

William

Oh, let's hear the story about Gene's dog babysitter. I love your TOS stories, William. And BTW, I tend to agree with the comments here about the TOS remastered CGI FX. Too much of it looks "cartooney," rather than realistic CGI. Some of it is beautiful, no question, but some is krap.

HR Pufnstuf

The GALILEO shuttle is too big in CGI. It looks like big shit...
The people in the hangar deck behind the windows are also too big..
:-((

Yes, and I have to say that (IMHO) the DS9 FX shots were done by none other than Greg Jein, the finest modelmaker in the history of movies, he won an award for "1941", first time a modelmaker had been nominated, much less WON an academy award for something like that. Since the old 3 footer Enterprise had vanished (see my story on previous page) Greg decided to build a 5 footer, along with the Klingon ship and the K-7 space station, which was 6 foot, if memory serves! Everything Greg had done for TREK has always been top notch, and I regretted hearing that he closed down his shop, and decided to go with CGI production! He went to some school or something, and had spendt time up at Lucasfilm (since he had worked with them from time to time) but I have not seen anything recent that he's done!

OKAY.... The story of Gene's dogs!!!

One cold December month, back in the day when Gene was still around, and overseeing all the TREK productions, the family decided to go off to Europe on a three week vacation, while the productions were closed down for the season. Gene, Gene junior, Majel and her assistant Rena, Gene's assistants Susan Suck...er....Sackett, and Richard Arnold (speaking of suck!!!) and Gene's house guest Kevin Smith (No, not THAT Kevin Smith) were all included in this mass vacation. My friend Edward, who worked with Majel at "Lincoln Enterprises" was left behind to take care of business. He was given the keys to the house in Bel Aire, which used to belong to Clark Gable, to take care of the three dogs they owned (I think it was three, could have been four, doesn't matter). Gene had given him run of the house for three whole weeks, with cable, big screen TV, swimming pool, etc. totally at his whim! Now, I knew that Gene had a very impressive library of all things TREK in his house, and he had collected, back in the TOS era, every episode script, with all the production notes, any little piece of mail from anyone involved in the production of the episode, such as an outside consultant, etc. These were all put together in a three ring OVERSIZED binder. All the scripts had Gene's original handwritten notes in the scripts, as well as other important production notes.

So, he's living in their house, eating their food, floating in their pool, crapping in their toliets, bathing in their bathtub, FOR THREE WEEKS!!!!

He tells me this on January 11, when he called me up to tell me what was going on, and how was my Christmas!!!

I told him that I could have, in about a week and a half, copied ALL of those scripts, and all of the notes, everything. Did he realize how important that would have been to ME??? But NO, he didn't even bother to think about that! He was having too much of a good time! I told him, at the VERY least, he could have invited me ONE DAY to have a good time with him, at their house!!! He said that he just couldn't have done that, it would not have been proper!!! I felt like Harrison Ford when I said "PROPER???" OH MY GOD!!!! With friends like that, what can you do? At the very least, I could have checked out and photographed the damage to the 3 footer, and checked out Nomad as well! But that would not have been "Proper"!!! GGGGGEEEEEEZZZZZ!!!

But I figured that someday, I would eventually get access to those production notes and even get digital copies of those TOS scripts, but I'm still waiting!!!!

William

One problem to me on the CGI Remastered 1701, is the Aztec pattern added to her. On the refit, OK, On the TOS, TACKY! For some reason they think upgrading the look of the TOS 1701 looks better. As pointed out by ComicJoe and his photo comparison THE experts don't understand the look, like the fans do. The reason, fans LOVE TOS, experts are for the money. I don't own the remastered, just the original, and IF I do buy them, it will be for the novelty of it, not because it is better. By the way, I don't have Blu-Ray, and what I have seen of the 1701 in TOS, it smoothed out the graininess and it looks splotchy.I will take each grain with love any day!

First of all, the post was directed at me, so if anyone is going to correct any grammar, or spelling, it should be ME!! (which I would never do, because it's RUDE!)

Secondly, Scotty, I don't have any clams, I really HATE clams, and don't like to eat them as they are all slimy and stinky when they slide down your throat! (YUK!!!)

Third, thank you very much Amanda, I didn't know it was a joke, since there was no "LOL" or :) or "Hehehehehe" after your joke, so sorry, I will kindly ask Jessie if he can do us a favor! :)

Lastly, PLEASE let's all be nice on the last day of creation, please? Since the world, and the whole Milky Way will be potted straight into an intergalactic black hole, in a universal game of pool at 8:13PM EST, (and thanks to Douglas Adams for the headsup on that one, :) ) Lets all walk into the life hereafter with a smile on our faces, knowing that we met oblivion after hearing all of the TOS music!

William

My Bad!! lol I do indeed dislike getting older. I hate clams too! but I do like clam chowder! and I should claim my mistakes :) I see the Mayans got it wrong once again! to bad they could not predict their own demise. To bad we could not hear the TOS music playing as we walk into oblivion! that would be a great way to wink out!

Scott

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One problem to me on the CGI Remastered 1701, is the Aztec pattern added to her. On the refit, OK, On the TOS, TACKY! For some reason they think upgrading the look of the TOS 1701 looks better. As pointed out by ComicJoe and his photo comparison THE experts don't understand the look, like the fans do. The reason, fans LOVE TOS, experts are for the money. I don't own the remastered, just the original, and IF I do buy them, it will be for the novelty of it, not because it is better. By the way, I don't have Blu-Ray, and what I have seen of the 1701 in TOS, it smoothed out the graininess and it looks splotchy.I will take each grain with love any day!

I can't agree with you more AZSneed! their upgrades suck! I'll stick with my old VHS tapes of TOS until I can't play them any more. You hit the nail on the head, it all comes down to love! CBS did it for the love of money and look what we got! CGI that looks like a 20 something did it....good grief!! if CBS really wanted to do it with love and justice they should have farmed it out to ILM or some other CGI company that had the love for TOS as we do and do the damn thing right.

Scott

First post in this forum. Love reading the stories you guys are sharing from behind the scenes. Cheers!

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Oh, and I have found the 15 CD set in MP3 form out on the web. Fun stuff! Wish I had the $$$ for the box set.

Yes, that shuttlecraft scene is HORRIBLE!!! Cannot believe how they messed that one up! The shuttle looks like it would be 12 or 13 feet tall! :) Amazing.

On another note, I wanted to put it to all of you:

To merge or not to merge?

If the two TREK threads are merged, which CAN be done, they would be organized by the date the posts were made, and Jessie thinks that it may create a mess, but it is
do-able.

I just wanted to know what you all thought about it.

Let me know.

William

This TV show was cancelled well over 40 years ago, right? Why all the fuss???

This TV show was cancelled well over 40 years ago, right? Why all the fuss???

Because it's better than anything SF that has been aired on TV since then, save for very few exceptions (Babylon 5, ST next gen and Firefly. can't think of any else).

Um, the blu rays are NOT "just upscaled DVDs."
As far as merge /not merge...I'd rather keep this one separate. I like talking TOS-trek. I don't care about the others really, and I hate the new movies.

And it looks like someone just posted this in flac....

to be or not to be ..

And it looks like someone just posted this in flac....

? Where? I don't see any sign of it. Did they post the art?

Yes, that shuttlecraft scene is HORRIBLE!!! Cannot believe how they messed that one up! The shuttle looks like it would be 12 or 13 feet tall! :) Amazing.

On another note, I wanted to put it to all of you:

To merge or not to merge?

If the two TREK threads are merged, which CAN be done, they would be organized by the date the posts were made, and Jessie thinks that it may create a mess, but it is
do-able.

I just wanted to know what you all thought about it.

Let me know.

William

No merge. Mergers are so messy, and not always to big to fail, new CEO, and layoffs, just messy.

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This TV show was cancelled well over 40 years ago, right? Why all the fuss???

You must be too young to understand.

This TV show was cancelled well over 40 years ago, right? Why all the fuss???
Wrong, the last ST incarnation was back in 2009, the new movie.
Star Trek is a franchise with 12 films (currently in development), and 4 series. Enterprise went off the air 7 years ago.

Because it's better than anything SF that has been aired on TV since then, save for very few exceptions (Babylon 5, ST next gen and Firefly. can't think of any else).

Doctor Who. Which predates the Original Trek by a few years. Granted, the budgets were crap, and the pacing was off, but I feel **ducks** the imaginitive stories of Who easily equal, or top, Trek. Granted all series have some clunkers..**cough** Spock's Brain ** cough **

? Where? I don't see any sign of it. Did they post the art?

The thread was taken down almost immediately, but yes, all the booklets and artwork were included at 600 dpi.

The thread was taken down almost immediately, but yes, all the booklets and artwork were included at 600 dpi.

Damm, i missed this

I so much wanted to read the booklet notes and just get a general of what the set is like

Doctor Who. Which predates the Original Trek by a few years. Granted, the budgets were crap, and the pacing was off, but I feel **ducks** the imaginitive stories of Who easily equal, or top, Trek. Granted all series have some clunkers..**cough** Spock's Brain ** cough **

Doctor who? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/017.gif Spock's Brain is my favorite episode! A clunker!?http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/cry-1.gif






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Wrong, the last ST incarnation was back in 2009, the new movie.
Star Trek is a franchise with 12 films (currently in development), and 4 series. Enterprise went off the air 7 years ago.

4 series?

Star Trek (1966-69)
Star Trek (1973-74, Animated)
Star Trek: The Next Generation (1987-94)
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (1993-99)
Star Trek: Voyager (1995-2001)
Star Trek: Enterprise (2001-2005)

I count six. :D

Damn, I'd have loved to have seen the artwork and booklets :(


The thread was taken down almost immediately, but yes, all the booklets and artwork were included at 600 dpi.

I have to respectfully disagree with the masses here in regards to the cgi ships. The fan representation may look sharper, but it is far from accurate. The disc edge is way too thick. The bottom bulge is way wrong in shape and size. The pylon/engine connection is wrong, it is missing a piece.The engines are too massive. the coloring of the hull in general is correct for the filming model. But, the leading edge of the pylon for the first and secondary hull, and the leading edge of the secondary hull is actually a much darker color. You can see it on the remasterd's pic of it firing. That is not shadow, the color is darker. It is much like the coloration of the TMP refit's secondary hull. Not as stark, but there. Also the underside of the warp engines, at the pylon connection has a darker piece of detail, before the red markings. That is missing in the fan restoration. The fan restoration shows the inner detail to be flat panels cut in the round engine, which is incorrect, or at least way too pronounced. The little grill sections and the end cap are way too dark. The grill color is way more subtle, and looking at the filming model, the end caps are the same color as the engine and hull color. The dark gray squares in front of the federation symbol are way too dark. Again much more subtle on the filming model, which I may try to track down pics of again.

That said, the official cgi does have the aztec pattern which I hate. And, the impulse engines now glow read. **groan** But I know this is an attempt to bring TOS in line with the rest of the fx done. As it stands, TOS is the only series with it's look. When they did TMP, and the refit, all ships in the movies carried the same colors and look. DS9, TNG, and Voyager followed suit. It was logical progression and I am fine with it. When they did Enterprise, it should have been a bit back in tech from TOS. But they did not go that direction. The Enterprise, the nx, follows the same design pattern and style as later ships, leaving the original to stick out in a ridiculous way. It is like Kirk's tech was decades behind Archer's which makes no sense. The new look in the remastered sets was an attempt to fix that.

The DS9 episode's 1701 looks very good indeed, but alas also is not accurate to the original. Mainly when it comes to the deflector grid panels on the upper primary hull. The new model shows them well marked, but the original did not. It appears that at best they were lightly drawn in with pencil or something. The"restoration" crapped all over that and other color detail.

There is one other cgi Enterprise to consider also, and that is the Defiant in In A Mirror Darkly. I remember it as looking good, but have no pics off hand. It did break canon to give the ship aft phasers and torpedoes though....

Also the lighting in the fan cgi is too bright. There are no light sources for that even a look. The reason for the "plastic" look on theofficial ones is that they were trying to represent the lack of lighting. The original was not self lit like later ones. They are trying to show that. Especially by the engines, and phaser beams etc

Amanda, I do not like that they brought the look of the TOS 1701 up to the look of the other ships in the remastered version. That was one reason that I did not care for ENTERPRISE, they made the ship fit the Next Generation look. The NX-01 should have looked more more primitive than the TOS 1701. It is like taking Newsreel films of the Zeppelin HINDENBURG and putting jet motors on them, instead of the propellers, just so it fits in to modern times. You don't mess with the original. If they cleaned up the graininess, but left the original FX, I would have been happier, but, I do realize that was not cost effective, but, at least make the CGI ship LOOK like the original. Now to get off my soap box.

I don't disagree. But i do like the fx still, the one posted of it firing is now my desktop...:) I was very disappointed to see the nx look the way it did. I am just noting that the original now stands out in every way. Stronger color use, more dynamic music and stories, everything. Might as well be a different franchise altogether...oh, wait...

It is good that you didn't disagree because I would have called you a http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/klingone.gif

Ok folks. My PM box is cleared and open again. I am sending links for the TOS box set. Abiding by the rules given to me by the original sharer, I am providing mp3 320, and it is sadly without art. If you want to share I only ask that you create your own new links to do so, and remember every set that has been posted on the forum has thus far been removed, so I figure that is a clue from admin...

Hello, TOS fans! :)

I wanted to ask someone a small favor, if you please. I've been trying to download this YOUTUBE video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbNXb2Di7ZM

It's really neat TOS stuff, runs about 9 plus minutes, but I cannot get any program to download THAT one, I can download all the others, but just not that one. Can anyone help me?


Here's a link for Steve Neil's CGI bridge set:
BRIDGETEST.wmv - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaVPbCG9Myg)



William

I have to respectfully disagree with the masses here in regards to the cgi ships. The fan representation may look sharper, but it is far from accurate. The disc edge is way too thick. The bottom bulge is way wrong in shape and size. The pylon/engine connection is wrong, it is missing a piece.The engines are too massive. the coloring of the hull in general is correct for the filming model. But, the leading edge of the pylon for the first and secondary hull, and the leading edge of the secondary hull is actually a much darker color. You can see it on the remasterd's pic of it firing. That is not shadow, the color is darker. It is much like the coloration of the TMP refit's secondary hull. Not as stark, but there. Also the underside of the warp engines, at the pylon connection has a darker piece of detail, before the red markings. That is missing in the fan restoration. The fan restoration shows the inner detail to be flat panels cut in the round engine, which is incorrect, or at least way too pronounced. The little grill sections and the end cap are way too dark. The grill color is way more subtle, and looking at the filming model, the end caps are the same color as the engine and hull color. The dark gray squares in front of the federation symbol are way too dark. Again much more subtle on the filming model, which I may try to track down pics of again.

That said, the official cgi does have the aztec pattern which I hate. And, the impulse engines now glow read. **groan** But I know this is an attempt to bring TOS in line with the rest of the fx done. As it stands, TOS is the only series with it's look. When they did TMP, and the refit, all ships in the movies carried the same colors and look. DS9, TNG, and Voyager followed suit. It was logical progression and I am fine with it. When they did Enterprise, it should have been a bit back in tech from TOS. But they did not go that direction. The Enterprise, the nx, follows the same design pattern and style as later ships, leaving the original to stick out in a ridiculous way. It is like Kirk's tech was decades behind Archer's which makes no sense. The new look in the remastered sets was an attempt to fix that.

The DS9 episode's 1701 looks very good indeed, but alas also is not accurate to the original. Mainly when it comes to the deflector grid panels on the upper primary hull. The new model shows them well marked, but the original did not. It appears that at best they were lightly drawn in with pencil or something. The"restoration" crapped all over that and other color detail.

There is one other cgi Enterprise to consider also, and that is the Defiant in In A Mirror Darkly. I remember it as looking good, but have no pics off hand. It did break canon to give the ship aft phasers and torpedoes though....

Also the lighting in the fan cgi is too bright. There are no light sources for that even a look. The reason for the "plastic" look on theofficial ones is that they were trying to represent the lack of lighting. The original was not self lit like later ones. They are trying to show that. Especially by the engines, and phaser beams etc

It's just an example of better rendering, not better modeling.

Hello, TOS fans! :)

I wanted to ask someone a small favor, if you please. I've been trying to download this YOUTUBE video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbNXb2Di7ZM

It's really neat TOS stuff, runs about 9 plus minutes, but I cannot get any program to download THAT one, I can download all the others, but just not that one. Can anyone help me?

William

Download works with the FlashGot Plugin for Firefox. :)

Um, the blu rays are NOT "just upscaled DVDs."

I'm pretty sure that it was stated that they simply upscaled DVD masters.

Which has more of an impact on society, Star Trek or The Beatles?

Doctor Who. Which predates the Original Trek by a few years. Granted, the budgets were crap, and the pacing was off, but I feel **ducks** the imaginitive stories of Who easily equal, or top, Trek. Granted all series have some clunkers..**cough** Spock's Brain ** cough **

I always forget that poor Doctor, for some reason...:ashine:

there have been some other good series, but none to the extent of Who, Trek or B5.

Regards the "why does the Enterprise in Enterprise look more advanced than the Enterprise in TOS" question... the answer is obvious and incontrovertible: TOS Enterprise was designed and built in the 1960s with a meagre budget. What on earth do you expect? Shall we have Enterprise with 1900s-era special effects, with a giant telescope sticking out of the moon's eye? You simply cannot build Enterprise Enterprise to look less advanced than TOS enterprise without making it out of milk cartons and flying it on a piece of string over a black blanket with Christmas lights stapled to it. ;)

Enterprise may have been *set* before TOS, but it was *made* forty years after it... those are the facts of the real world in which we live contrasted with the fictional world of the show. One simply must bear these things in mind... Sci-fi by its very nature requires extraordinary suspension of disbelief on the part of the viewer. The shows are a product of the era in which they were produced.

There is one other cgi Enterprise to consider also, and that is the Defiant in In A Mirror Darkly. I remember it as looking good, but have no pics off hand. It did break canon to give the ship aft phasers and torpedoes though....

Well, if you want to get really Treknical, the original Enterprise DID have aft phasers. We never saw them fired, but one of the background voices on the bridge, heard during the intercom traffic, mentions "aft phasers." Torpedoes are another story, they never mentioned those until Khan fired one from the Reliant in TWOK.

So, they only half broke canon. ;-)

Download works with the FlashGot Plugin for Firefox. :)



Yes, but it will only allow you to download the original FLV, not as an MP4 or whatever. My Pinnacle video program will not allow me to use different video formats. I cannot intergrate MP4 with AVI or FLV at all!
I took the TOS DVDs and, using Pinnacle, clipped out sections of the Enterprise sets that had no people on them, video footage, and looped the 1 or 2 seconds, fading in and out, to make a LONG video of different sets from TOS, and I wanted to use the beginning of that clip as an intro to my video! It's really a very interesting video, and I worked long and hard on it, while I was "Between gigs" as it were, and I was really proud of the result! I want to upload it and share with everyone here.

As to which has effected the world more?? Beatles, to be sure. Star Trek was really up there, but NOTHING beats out the Beatles!!! The greatest band in the history of Rock N Roll, (Source: Rolling Stone)!!

William

Wrong, the last ST incarnation was back in 2009, the new movie.
Star Trek is a franchise with 12 films (currently in development), and 4 series. Enterprise went off the air 7 years ago.

Of course, joshyr meant the original series.

William: Here it is as an MP4, in 720p. :)

GO4UP : Upload everywhere ! (http://go4up.com/dl/1n2WD8Ov16g3)

Yes, but it will only allow you to download the original FLV, not as an MP4 or whatever.

The original (360p?) file is in FLV, the 720p version is in mp4. You must switch to 720p before downloading. :)

Yes, but it will only allow you to download the original FLV, not as an MP4 or whatever. My Pinnacle video program will not allow me to use different video formats. I cannot intergrate MP4 with AVI or FLV at all!
I took the TOS DVDs and, using Pinnacle, clipped out sections of the Enterprise sets that had no people on them, video footage, and looped the 1 or 2 seconds, fading in and out, to make a LONG video of different sets from TOS, and I wanted to use the beginning of that clip as an intro to my video! It's really a very interesting video, and I worked long and hard on it, while I was "Between gigs" as it were, and I was really proud of the result! I want to upload it and share with everyone here.

As to which has effected the world more?? Beatles, to be sure. Star Trek was really up there, but NOTHING beats out the Beatles!!! The greatest band in the history of Rock N Roll, (Source: Rolling Stone)!!

William

I got the 720p mp4 downloaded with the "DownloadHelper" add-on for Firefox.

For Youtube video downloads, I use the free version of Youtube Downloader.
http://www.youtubedownloadersite.com/

Was anybody fast enough and did download the flac version of the TOS Collection? I am only interested in the booklet scans.

Well, actually there are ALOT of people who are interested in all of the artwork, mate! I've been chomping at the bit all week, as I have the art, but no scanner to share it with the people here! :)

But, all good things come to they who wait!

William

No scanner. I guess you will have to find the photos and then type in the words and recreate the booklets. Just call it a new hobby.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/spocksmiley.gif

i have the art from a link on line...168 some odd mb. I will have to see if it can be posted, as the set itself cannot.

Tango, the thing about the original Enterprise was the sleekness of it. It looks as if it was just grown, no seams, no idea of how it was constructed. The actual filming model is quite beautiful, and there is a well established progression of starship design and look that is considered canon. Enterprise **should** have respected that, but did not. The Vulcan and Klingon designs were appropriate to the established designs of the period. Nothing of Federation ships ever seen on-screen or in other media looks like Enterprise. Also, the colors assigned to personal match Next Gen on, not TOS. Why? There all sorts of design choices that are just very anti-timeline. Not to mention the mutilation of well established history, but hey.

Yes, that shuttlecraft scene is HORRIBLE!!! Cannot believe how they messed that one up! The shuttle looks like it would be 12 or 13 feet tall! :) Amazing.

On another note, I wanted to put it to all of you:

To merge or not to merge?

If the two TREK threads are merged, which CAN be done, they would be organized by the date the posts were made, and Jessie thinks that it may create a mess, but it is
do-able.

I just wanted to know what you all thought about it.

Let me know.

William

That is the question!! Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them?

Keep it separate is my vote!

Scott

Weeell... I tend to consider Enterprise very anti-timeline all on its own... a poorly conceived and on the whole terrible series.

Indeed, TOS Enterprise (the model, not the CGI) is lovely - but it's still very much a product of its age; and a lot of stuff in Star Trek is drenched in 1960s sensibilities. Enterprise - stinker though it is - is equally a product of the early twenty-first century and its designers were undoubtedly given a contradictory and arguably unachievable design brief; make something 100 years older than the USS Enterprise being mindful of the fact that just about every design decision made in TOS looks to modern eyes, dated. In other words, build an Enterprise that is the Wright Flyer to TOS's Boeing 777... without coming up with something that looks utterly ludicrous to the 21st century eyes that would be watching it.

You just have to look at 1960s futuristic impressions of 21st Century life to see how comprehensively they didn't have a clue - just as we have no clue what life will be like fifty years or a hundred years from now.

In other words, I think it's more important that Enterprise Enterprise looks conceivably like a ship humans might build a hundred years from now (which, arguably, it does) and considerably less important that it looks visually less advanced than a 1960s impression of what the 2260s would look like.

:)

Edit: Look at how the 1960s failed completely to anticipate even the 1980s... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itXyEx55OHQ

Yes, but it will only allow you to download the original FLV, not as an MP4 or whatever. My Pinnacle video program will not allow me to use different video formats. I cannot intergrate MP4 with AVI or FLV at all!
I took the TOS DVDs and, using Pinnacle, clipped out sections of the Enterprise sets that had no people on them, video footage, and looped the 1 or 2 seconds, fading in and out, to make a LONG video of different sets from TOS, and I wanted to use the beginning of that clip as an intro to my video! It's really a very interesting video, and I worked long and hard on it, while I was "Between gigs" as it were, and I was really proud of the result! I want to upload it and share with everyone here.

As to which has effected the world more?? Beatles, to be sure. Star Trek was really up there, but NOTHING beats out the Beatles!!! The greatest band in the history of Rock N Roll, (Source: Rolling Stone)!!

William

William I use Freemake Video Downloader (Freemake | Best Freeware Alternatives To Paid Video Software (http://freemake.com)) and plugs into Firefox, IE or Chrome. You can download any video, in just about any formate you want...and it's free.

Scott

My copy of the CD box set finally arrived today and it looks and sounds great considering its age! Whilst I'm happy to download some things, if it's something I really, really want, then I'll buy a physical copy still even if I have downloaded a bootleg copy of it beforehand. Finally, I love the label's name LaLaLand!

So, mods want to hold off on posting art too, for now. I am, however gonna post a ton of TOS Enterprise filming and cgi model pics....

I'm pretty sure that it was stated that they simply upscaled DVD masters.

Spacelift Transporting Trek into The 21st Century - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdUJOL1Ummw) = Spacelift Transporting Trek into The 21st Century

An overview of the Remastering process, from telecine transfer to digital cleanup, coloring, re-recording of the theme song, and of course the new visual effects. Altogether pretty fascinating.

i have the art from a link on line...168 some odd mb. I will have to see if it can be posted, as the set itself cannot.

Tango, the thing about the original Enterprise was the sleekness of it. It looks as if it was just grown, no seams, no idea of how it was constructed. The actual filming model is quite beautiful, and there is a well established progression of starship design and look that is considered canon. Enterprise **should** have respected that, but did not. The Vulcan and Klingon designs were appropriate to the established designs of the period. Nothing of Federation ships ever seen on-screen or in other media looks like Enterprise. Also, the colors assigned to personal match Next Gen on, not TOS. Why? There all sorts of design choices that are just very anti-timeline. Not to mention the mutilation of well established history, but hey.

I just watched a bit of Broken Bow, and Archer was wearing command gold, with Tucker wearing red.

then I stand corrected. :)

I'm pretty sure that it was stated that they simply upscaled DVD masters.

No. This is patently untrue. They're clearly not upscaled. Upscaled is what the Simpsons sets did. Still an improvement, but obviously not HD. These are HD.

I got a TOS music question...is that still permitted? Say that I can...this question is driving me crazy-er! Well, I'm going to ask anyway. What do these in bold mean on this sample track and all of the others, (Probing/Monster Illusion/Monster Fight/The Kibitzers M41/M42/M43/M44 5:40)?http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/spocksmiley.gif

Thoes are cue numbers for where in the episode the score went, just like the slate numbers on recording sessions.

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I'll now hunt down more. A word about the cgi stuff. Apparently, the first batch of remastered episodes featured a "first generation" ship, but it was not well accepted, so all later batches had a :generation two" ship. The pic that was posted showing the cgi ship firing phasers is actually not from the remastered episodes. It is part of a "linticular 3-D image" set....

Thanks for the answer, Amanda!

While I am here, some of the Defiant filming model from DS9:

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And my meager attempt at the AMT Defiant model kit, and also the Runabout:

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Thanks for the photos! A lot of new stuff for me. And, your model work, EXCELLENT!

Here are a ton more. A combination of remastered cgi, filming model pics, it's arrival and severe damage at the smithsonian, the original display, and some of the "restoration" **shudder**

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Great pics!!

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Hi gang, I just like to state that having now listened to all of the TOS box set, great music far, far superior to TNG, Voyager and Enterprise ( in my opinion that is)

I may be nutters (may?), but some of the early Klingon horn themes in the Next Gen seem to me to sound an awful lot like the themes used for Apollo. "Course that could be just the meds talking...

Great photos Amanda

I may be nutters (may?), but some of the early Klingon horn themes in the Next Gen seem to me to sound an awful lot like the themes used for Apollo. "Course that could be just the meds talking...

Didn't they only use Jerry Goldmsmith's Klingon theme in the first 2 - 3 seasons?

I dunno. I think a few of the opening bars. It just sounded similar. I was listening to the Apollo tracks, and it just reminded me of that. Probably just similar.

my favorite eps in order--
1.) The Corbomite Maneuver
2.) Mirror, Mirror
3.) The Doomsday Machine
4.) City On The Edge Of Forever
5.) The Trouble With Tribbles
6.) Where No Man Has Gone Before
7.) The Tholian Web
8.) What Are Little Girls Made Of?
9.) Day Of The Dove
10.) A Piece If The Action

I Use Both Youtube Downloader & IDM To Download Off Youtube All You Have To Do To Download As MP4 720p
Is Change To 720p On Youtube And IDM Will Let You Download It As MP4 720p

You did a very good job Amanda!! It's a little hard to paint a 1/450 scale model, unless your hands are smaller then the kit! which is one of the reasons I don't build them anymore. Thank You for all the pictures.

Scott

I am not sire I can anymore either. I have the revised Polar lights 1/350 refit, with the decals and metal stand, and the re-released Vulcan shuttle, but I don't know if I am up to the challenge. And the new TOS Enterprise just mocks me....

That is the primary reason that those guys in the studios build such LARGE models. I went to "Image-G" one day, and there was one guy, putting some detail work on one of the models, and his hands were shaking so bad, I asked him why he was shaking so much, and he asked me "Well, don't your hands shake when you are doing something really important?". I felt like saying "NO!!" but I kept my mouth shut (For a change) and walked away! :)

AND... From my family to all of yours:

MERRY CHRISTMAS, and a HAPPY HOLIDAY SEASON!

William

Hear, hear. Merry Christmas everybody, one and all. Make it a good one. :)

I just wanted to say a big thanx to the person who uploaded the TOS music and cover art, you know who you are, I wont mention any names here. It was a very nice xmas gift and I wanted to say have a nice season as well.

I am not sire I can anymore either. I have the revised Polar lights 1/350 refit, with the decals and metal stand, and the re-released Vulcan shuttle, but I don't know if I am up to the challenge. And the new TOS Enterprise just mocks me....

I guess the only way to find out is to start it and see what happens! I just can't work on those small models anymore, to small for my eyes and don't have the hand coordination either, probably why my eyes are bad....I built so many when I was younger. One of these days I'll build a 11 foot TOS Enterprise, if my heart holds out! then I can die a happy man.

Marry Christmas To All and A Happy New Year!!

Scott

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That is the primary reason that those guys in the studios build such LARGE models. I went to "Image-G" one day, and there was one guy, putting some detail work on one of the models, and his hands were shaking so bad, I asked him why he was shaking so much, and he asked me "Well, don't your hands shake when you are doing something really important?". I felt like saying "NO!!" but I kept my mouth shut (For a change) and walked away! :)

AND... From my family to all of yours:

MERRY CHRISTMAS, and a HAPPY HOLIDAY SEASON!

William

Yep and it shows on the screen (little or big) of the great work they used to do! now we are stuck with CGI because it is cheaper and faster. Sounds like the guy is in the wrong business! I worked with a few guys that reminded me of Don Knotts in the "The Shakiest Gun in the West" :) they either got used to the pressure or quit...most quit....C'est le Vie!

LOL William, I would have said something and got barred from ever going back to Image-G again...

Scott

I don't think I have ever seen this before!! WOW

This had to be an NBC promo set sent to TV Stations and Media outlets only!! what a lucky find :)

Thank You joshyr!!

Scott

It's been around, and in a book or two. Of note is that they airbrushed Spock's eyebrows round... :awsm:

It's been around, and in a book or two. Of note is that they airbrushed Spock's eyebrows round... :awsm:

I'll be! I did not notice until you pointed it out Amanda!! how funny lol

Scott

merry christmas, guys :D

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/decorations-christmas_10.gif MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL all one needs is "Ray Stevens Redneck Christmas" playing in the background ;)


Scott

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Beer basted Tribbles....MMMmmmm

Sorry,I forgot the soundtrack.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/spocksmiley.gif

Beer basted Tribbles....MMMmmmm

Don't get to close them laddie!! they bread like no other :)

Scott

Designated driver....




From Starship Exeter, The Tressaurian Intersection. FYI, the main theme is a variation of the track,Space Radio from Mudd's Women.

Merry Christmas!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtmbzJNPsaQ
TNG episode 15 - "That Jean-Luc Picard" - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf9oD_xl8mI)
TNG episode 18 - "the naQed now, part 2" - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYHMi69-_A0)
The Next Generation episode 7 - "A fistful of Rikers" - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCGtKrx1q5U)
TNG edit 27 - Data's date - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSoV91ofwHA)
TNG edit 33 - "apologies, mister Worf" - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxopd_qSVKo)

:)

Well, I don't know if I'm the only one, but I always thought that the girl with Kirk in the above photo was MUCH prettier than Grace Lee, and I don't know why they didn't use her in the series. they may have had better luck with an actress that didn't drink too much, wasn't into drugs, etc.

Well, I hope everyone had a GREAT Christmas, as I did! I finally, after all these years, FINALLY got my wish come true, my dear sweet wonderful wife bought me a 1964 Aston Martin DB5 in MINT condition!!!







Naw, I'm just BSing you guys, Hehehehehe I WISH I could afford one of those! But I did have a nice Christmas, and thanks for all the good thoughts and well wishes, they were very nice, and I shared each and everyone of them with my family!

William

Hahahhahaha...

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Hey! I don't remember any episode with Data playing with Spot that way!!?!?!?!?! Is that an out-take or blooper of some sort? That's great!!!

Well, folks, it had to happen sometime, but I got a note from Hotfile today, that I have been SUSPENDED!!!! Hehehehehehe:) Apparently our spy here didn't like me placing the TOS box set over there, and got them to not only yank the files, but deleted ALL of my files! :(

Oh, well, I'll have to make due with the other 20 accounts I have over there. But if they are going to start being picky about what files are placed over there, it's just a matter of time before they are gone, out of business, because nobody I know wants to have to constantly reup their files!

William

It's been around, and in a book or two. Of note is that they airbrushed Spock's eyebrows round... :awsm:

Wasn't that in the "Star Trek Compendium?" I used to have that one back in the 80s or so and I think that's where I saw it, although I'd completely forgotten about it. Never saw the entire ad though, that was awesome, thanks for showing it!

Well, I don't know if I'm the only one, but I always thought that the girl with Kirk in the above photo was MUCH prettier than Grace Lee, and I don't know why they didn't use her in the series. they may have had better luck with an actress that didn't drink too much, wasn't into drugs, etc.

Well, I hope everyone had a GREAT Christmas, as I did! I finally, after all these years, FINALLY got my wish come true, my dear sweet wonderful wife bought me a 1964 Aston Martin DB5 in MINT condition!!!







Naw, I'm just BSing you guys, Hehehehehe I WISH I could afford one of those! But I did have a nice Christmas, and thanks for all the good thoughts and well wishes, they were very nice, and I shared each and everyone of them with my family!

William

When I first read your message, I about fell over...that Martin DB5 was going for over half a million dollars!! then I thought does your wife have a sister! ;) hehehehehe

Yes my Christmas was really good! a great time with my sons, brother and one of his daughters and of course Mommy Dearest ;) (just a nick name I use for my mother)

Good to hear your Christmas was good to William! I'm glade they enjoyed the well wishes of your friends!

Scott

Hi friends,

anyone has the complete coverart scans to this ST TOS-Box?

THX in advance!

Yes, but admin asked me not to post them. Pm me.

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Well, folks, it had to happen sometime, but I got a note from Hotfile today, that I have been SUSPENDED!!!! Hehehehehehe:) Apparently our spy here didn't like me placing the TOS box set over there, and got them to not only yank the files, but deleted ALL of my files! :(

Oh, well, I'll have to make due with the other 20 accounts I have over there. But if they are going to start being picky about what files are placed over there, it's just a matter of time before they are gone, out of business, because nobody I know wants to have to constantly reup their files!

William

Well, I'm not surprised about hotfile's current handling of its customers. In a way, I can see why they are getting nervous right now, because they may very well having troubles of their own:

Hotfile As Bad As Megaupload, MPAA Tells Court | TorrentFreak (http://torrentfreak.com/hotfile-as-bad-megaupload-mpaa-tells-court-120307/)

and

MPAA: Hotfile is the Most Blatant ‘Pirate Site’ of All | TorrentFreak (http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-hotfile-is-the-most-blatant-pirate-site-of-all-120908/)

Let's hope they manage to stand up against this threat. My expectations, though, are minimal, at best...

It's freaky, that you hear, and read to put your files in the cloud, but they have made a point to shut down the sites that provide the services, one by one, slowly for now. I think I will put my files under a rock, less chance of losing them.

an interesting site. Linking to it is forbidden. Link was reported. We shall see. Call it an experiment.

So I gather you are speechless, joshyr? :) About what?

I find it totally amazing that my tax dollars are hard at work, protecting the film industry from people here at home that want to store stuff online, when they don't have enough harddrive space, or an external harddrive large enough to store everything. I'm going to be storing ALL of my DVDs into storage harddrives, with a dup for backup on each movie, since I can play it onscreen either in the front room on my flatscreen, or in my computer, in a ISO format now! (I really LOVE technology!) :)

You see, they really cannot enforce their copyright in many other nations, such as China, Russia and most of eurasia as well, so they have to beatup someone, so they just hammer out people at home! The thing that chaps my hide is that in the law, copyright is only good for 17 years, then it's supposed to expire, but all of a sudden, you can RENEW a copyright, just like good old Star Trek, which Viacom corporation had declared back in the 90's that the original series was STILL IN THE RED!!!! Yet they continue to renew the copyright everytime they get a chance! Amazing to do that with a series that was not financially viable, huh?

First, all of the LEOs (Law Enforcement officers) were busy at work for the insurance companies, making sure that everyone in America had a policy with one or another of the insurance companies, to drive a car, and good old ARNOLD wanted to try and extend that here in California to include medical insurance. So, if you got pulled over for a broken tail light, you would not only have show proof that you owned the car you were driving, you had to prove that you paid the proper tribute to the state every year to get a little sticker to prove that you were registered to operate that car on the city streets, you had to prove that you were paid up on your yearly tribute to the great insurance god of the universe, and you had to prove that if anything happened to you, you had full personal coverage in case you had to go to the hospital or doctor!!!

Now, folks, that's ALOT of proving up to my way of thinking! I don't know about you-all (I really like that phrase, heheheh) but I really dislike it when our government wants to start poking it's nose into our personal business, and starts dictating what we HAVE to do!! Doesn't that make it a dictatorship? :)

I would really like to have a business, where the local state, or federal government would tell you to throw TONS of money my way, just so you can carry a little card in your wallet to prove that you paid me the monthly or yearly tribute!!!

Officer: Sir (or Ma'am), can you show me proof of a current tribute to the William L. Taylor house of ill repute?"

You: Yes, Sir, Officer, here is the card right here in my wallet, I went last Saturday night, and gave $900.00 to a woman named "Candy" for the services, and she stamped my card right there!

Officer: Well, that's great Sir, you are a good citizen of the state! (he smiles and walks away)


Hehehehehehe :)

Simply amazing!

William

You drinking or smoking, Willy? :awsm:

an interesting site. Linking to it is forbidden. Link was reported. We shall see. Call it an experiment.

This William Taylor fellow has attacked me and accused me of being someone else so I thought I would try to help out, but I guess there is no helping some people.

Twenty pages of nonsense on this thread, just thought there should be some music at the end of it. It's okay for Wildwood Park to share every FSM CD ever made but we can't mention another website on this site. Okay, got it.

Better to wait for William to post one of the two copies he has, see how that works for you.

Doesn't matter to me. I have mine. Autographed too!

Admin have stated the set may not be shared here on the forum. Same for the art. We generally do not encourage linking to other sites. Doing so for this set equals openly posting the link. Over 100 people now have this set, many with art. I know, because that is how many sets of links I have sent out via e-mail. So, I AM helping, while still abiding by the rules put in place.

Wildwoodpark does not share FSM on the forum, he does so via pm, which is entirely qwithin the bounds of the site's rules. I have no opinion on the William/Gwent/you thing.

The reason this thread was made was because the op thought we would put the links here. The fact that admin does not want us to post it renders the thread moot, which is why other conversations have sprung up in it's place.

ANYONE wanting mp3 320 of this with art needs only pm me. THAT is simple enough.

Wildwoodpark does not share FSM on the forum, he does so via pm, which is entirely qwithin the bounds of the site's rules. I have no opinion on the William/Gwent/you thing.

The point was you are not supposed to share soundtracks produced by Kendall and Bond and it still happens. Why is this one so special?

Whatever, it's all over the web now so who cares.

As far as the attack, I no longer take it seriously because apparently Taylor does this to other members too. Just found this out on a Titanic thread.

http://forums.ffshrine.org/f92/titanic-motion-picture-score-125031/2.html

So I get it. He's nuts.

Well, admin was asked about the pm sharing by the labels, but responded that what members do via pm is...errr. private and that seems to be that...

I find it totally amazing that my tax dollars are hard at work, protecting the film industry from people here at home that want to store stuff online, when they don't have enough harddrive space, or an external harddrive large enough to store everything. I'm going to be storing ALL of my DVDs into storage harddrives, with a dup for backup on each movie, since I can play it onscreen either in the front room on my flatscreen, or in my computer, in a ISO format now! (I really LOVE technology!) :)

You see, they really cannot enforce their copyright in many other nations, such as China, Russia and most of eurasia as well, so they have to beatup someone, so they just hammer out people at home! The thing that chaps my hide is that in the law, copyright is only good for 17 years, then it's supposed to expire, but all of a sudden, you can RENEW a copyright, just like good old Star Trek, which Viacom corporation had declared back in the 90's that the original series was STILL IN THE RED!!!! Yet they continue to renew the copyright everytime they get a chance! Amazing to do that with a series that was not financially viable, huh?

First, all of the LEOs (Law Enforcement officers) were busy at work for the insurance companies, making sure that everyone in America had a policy with one or another of the insurance companies, to drive a car, and good old ARNOLD wanted to try and extend that here in California to include medical insurance. So, if you got pulled over for a broken tail light, you would not only have show proof that you owned the car you were driving, you had to prove that you paid the proper tribute to the state every year to get a little sticker to prove that you were registered to operate that car on the city streets, you had to prove that you were paid up on your yearly tribute to the great insurance god of the universe, and you had to prove that if anything happened to you, you had full personal coverage in case you had to go to the hospital or doctor!!!

Now, folks, that's ALOT of proving up to my way of thinking! I don't know about you-all (I really like that phrase, heheheh) but I really dislike it when our government wants to start poking it's nose into our personal business, and starts dictating what we HAVE to do!! Doesn't that make it a dictatorship? :)

I would really like to have a business, where the local state, or federal government would tell you to throw TONS of money my way, just so you can carry a little card in your wallet to prove that you paid me the monthly or yearly tribute!!!

Officer: Sir (or Ma'am), can you show me proof of a current tribute to the William L. Taylor house of ill repute?"

You: Yes, Sir, Officer, here is the card right here in my wallet, I went last Saturday night, and gave $900.00 to a woman named "Candy" for the services, and she stamped my card right there!

Officer: Well, that's great Sir, you are a good citizen of the state! (he smiles and walks away)


Hehehehehehe :)

Simply amazing!

William

William, you are my hero!

Why don't the cops just say, "Show me your papers." Every year more of our freedoms are stripped in the cause of protecting US, when it is about control and money. And for the record, I AM NOT A TAX PAYER! I have never paid taxes, they were always taken from me, usually under threats. Also, the TAXES are not ours, it is the Government to do what they want with it, we have no say. The Government and media say tax dollars are being wasted, just to get us mad and to get us to support THEIR agenda. So bend over and pretend to enjoy it, cause you ARE going to get it!

Now that I got that out of my system, I feel better.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/woohoo.gif

**try living in Arizona with sheriff Joe **....

Yeah, try telling that to the GWENT hellspawn! :)

And I'm CRAZY???

Yearight! :)

Oh, Amanda, I am drinking....WATER (and lots of it, good for the body) and I am smoking, because I'm so ticked off at all this crap from the government that it has smoke pouring out of my EARS! Hehehehehehe

And, you mark my word, with this financial "Fiscal cliff" they keep talking about, it's going to be the final straw straight into another depression! Only THIS time I hope they call it the BUSH depression, because daddy and sonny were the two responsible for it!

William

I agree William! my philosophy has always been...the less I see and hear of the Government (Federal and State) the better I am! which is one of the reasons we kicked England out of the 12 colonies, now it seems the majority of people in this country want Uncle Sam to take care of them from cradle to grave! thats assassin!! what happened to "Personal Responsibility"!

The reason they need more revenue is because they have a spending problem! they have promised the unions more and more benefits and higher retirement, now they can't pay for it so they take it from us, until that is not enough! California alone is 617 BILLION in debt!! and growing...so they have to create new ways to tax us into oblivion. I am simple amassed at the stupidity of the people of this state, they voted to tax the rich, without even thinking several things (1) there are only so many rich people! (thats why they're called 1-percenters or 2-percenters) (2) if they were taxed at 100 percent it would only be enough to run the state for only a few days (at most) (3) (this is funny as hell)- The rich are now leaving the state! oppp's!! LOL

One thing Thu...Law Enforcement does not write the law, they just Enforce it! and I understand why a person has to show proof of auto insurance, to many illegal aliens on the road, plus some people can not afford insurance so they drive anyway, they have to live (child support, breaking the law,whatever) and get into accident's which drives up the cost for insurance company's...And No I do not work for an insurance company and never have.

I am no lawyer! I don't know that much about copyright law, so I'll defer to William since he works in a field that deals with it every day.

If it were not for my 85 year old mother I would have left this state years ago! and when she is gone, you can bet I'll be living in another state.

Scott

I agree William! my philosophy has always been...the less I see and hear of the Government (Federal and State) the better I am! which is one of the reasons we kicked England out of the 12 colonies, now it seems the majority of people in this country want Uncle Sam to take care of them from cradle to grave! thats assassin!! what happened to "Personal Responsibility"!

The reason they need more revenue is because they have a spending problem! they have promised the unions more and more benefits and higher retirement, now they can't pay for it so they take it from us, until that is not enough! California alone is 617 BILLION in debt!! and growing...so they have to create new ways to tax us into oblivion. I am simple amassed at the stupidity of the people of this state, they voted to tax the rich, without even thinking several things (1) there are only so many rich people! (thats why they're called 1-percenters or 2-percenters) (2) if they were taxed at 100 percent it would only be enough to run the state for only a few days (at most) (3) (this is funny as hell)- The rich are now leaving the state! oppp's!! LOL

One thing Thu...Law Enforcement does not write the law, they just Enforce it! and I understand why a person has to show proof of auto insurance, to many illegal aliens on the road, plus some people can not afford insurance so they drive anyway, they have to live (child support, breaking the law,whatever) and get into accident's which drives up the cost for insurance company's...And No I do not work for an insurance company and never have.

I am no lawyer! I don't know that much about copyright law, so I'll defer to William since he works in a field that deals with it every day.

If it were not for my 85 year old mother I would have left this state years ago! and when she is gone, you can bet I'll be living in another state.

Scott

Hey scotty, think about it, if you hadn't kicked us Brits out you could have been governed by Cameron as well and..............hold on..........that would be worse for you.....Hmmmmmm I didn't think out that argument too well ;)

Goverments are goverments. they always end up taxing you to oblivion for their mistakes. I've learnt a way of telling when a politician is lying, it's easy, they are lying when their lips are moving.

Yeah, try telling that to the GWENT hellspawn! :)

And I'm CRAZY???

Yearight! :)

Oh, Amanda, I am drinking....WATER (and lots of it, good for the body) and I am smoking, because I'm so ticked off at all this crap from the government that it has smoke pouring out of my EARS! Hehehehehehe

And, you mark my word, with this financial "Fiscal cliff" they keep talking about, it's going to be the final straw straight into another depression! Only THIS time I hope they call it the BUSH depression, because daddy and sonny were the two responsible for it!

William

Well we will have to agree to disagree here! Obama has spent more in 4 years then Bush Jr. did in 8 years! and what have we got to show for it? nothing but Trillions in debt! and Millions Unemployed! Nope Obama owns this whole mess!!

Scott

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Hey scotty, think about it, if you hadn't kicked us Brits out you couls have been governed by Cameron as well and..............hold on..........that would be worse for you.....Hmmmmmm I didn't think out that argument too well ;)

Goverments are goverments. they always end up taxing you to oblivion for their mistakes. I've learnt a way of telling when a politician is lying, it's easy, they are lying when their lips are moving.

Ain't that the truth!!

Don't misunderstand me, I have a great love for Great Britain! (my mothers side came from England) they have been our greatest Friend and Allies we have ever had...but please take Piers Morgan back!

Scott

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Ain't that the truth!!

Don't misunderstand me, I have a great love for Great Britain! (my mothers side came from England) they have been our greatest Friend and Allies we have ever had...but please take Piers Morgan back!

Scott

Nope, you took him, he's yours, and you can keep Ann Robinson as well, we don't want them back ever ever ever. :)

Nope, you took him, he's yours, and you can keep Ann Robinson as well, we don't want them back ever ever ever. :)

Damn!! maybe Her Majesty will make an exception? nahhh I thought not...Right! we can always fire them back over the pond and you guys can use your Patriot Batteries to take them down!! a win, win situation for all...we get to test fire and you guys can test the intercept part...and we both end up feeding the fish!! ;)

Scott

It is weird to listen to Fred Steiner's original score for Charlie X, and how much faster the tempo is, compared to his recordings for Varese Sarabande. After 13 years of listening to the newly recorded, and used to it, and now have to get to use to the original. The original is much richer sounding, so more enjoyable.

Sorry about getting back on topic. OK, not that sorry.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/lloyd2/wave.gif

You are correct! I noticed that all of that VS stuff is totally wrong, faster tempo, different key sometimes, and a pause in the music here and there where there was none in the original, almost like an afterthought, you know? Just going to have to get used to the originals all over again, but I must say that although they are a remake, I really like the arrangements on the "Planet X" versions, much better than the VS versions!

William

Hey! I don't remember any episode with Data playing with Spot that way!!?!?!?!?! Is that an out-take or blooper of some sort? That's great!!!

Well, folks, it had to happen sometime, but I got a note from Hotfile today, that I have been SUSPENDED!!!! Hehehehehehe:) Apparently our spy here didn't like me placing the TOS box set over there, and got them to not only yank the files, but deleted ALL of my files! :(

Oh, well, I'll have to make due with the other 20 accounts I have over there. But if they are going to start being picky about what files are placed over there, it's just a matter of time before they are gone, out of business, because nobody I know wants to have to constantly reup their files!

William

We could send him to "Botany Bay" !!

hey i don't wanna start a fight or anything but i notice that a bunch of guys with different names come on herre and start attacking williamtaylor1969, claiming that he attacked them first, which i cant even find one post where he did that, and they all say the same thing in the same way. is this just one person with different handles, or am i missing something. seems pretty weird, all in all.

**try living in Arizona with sheriff Joe **....

Funny you should say that, considering my own "nom de guerre."

However, Sheriff Joe Arapajo or whatever his name is can be called a certified looney in my book...and I am a law enforcement officer in real life. Heh.

hey i don't wanna start a fight or anything but i notice that a bunch of guys with different names come on herre and start attacking williamtaylor1969, claiming that he attacked them first, which i cant even find one post where he did that, and they all say the same thing in the same way. is this just one person with different handles, or am i missing something. seems pretty weird, all in all.

William has been a gentlemen and a scholar. I have seen this type of nonsense previously and it seems to be the work of one or two morons who are a couple of self-righteous pricks who are simply trying to stir things up and seek attention. Perhaps GWENT or whatever the hell his name is didn't get enough attention from mommy and daddy, or he was dropped on his head as an infant. In any case, it is a load of crap and is not productive or of interest to anyone who is hear to actually learn anything and enjoy intelligent conversation.